Anthony (102235402) wrote:

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Anthony (102235402) wrote:There is a factor some of you are missing. The number of new players MIGHT soon outnumber the amount of old players.

New players, normally don't have over 1m. So with that playing in, take a look at how it may affect the economy.

And you know what happens to those players?

They just never get any of the expensive items as those of us who have stupid amounts of coins just trade with each other and shuffle the wealth back and forth.

And they slowly but surely get disillusioned that a stupid unicorn costs more coins than they'll ever dream of having.

Well, if the average player no longer has over 1m in the future, there is a minority, that would. Would I sit around, waiting for one of them to buy my item, or would I want to sell it at a lower price, so that it can be sold quicker?

People may have to sell lower to make business, no matter if they like it, or of they don't. What if having over 5m coins, will no longer be as common as it is now?

Thing is, how do you effectively do that?

You need to have releases that have massive coin prices on them - which won't help on the new player base as it'll be stuff they'll never afford. You need to re-release some of the older stuff to devalue it - which will upset the applecart. You need to just physically remove a boatload of coins from the game - which will also upset the applecart.

Having releases with 75k jeans or 25k hairs won't cut it. When I say massive coin prices, I'm talking 1m+ price tags or even 10m+ for that matter.

Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:he is right.. I could sit on my coins.. just play off my coins, never sell anything.. and with the last batch of yocash I bought, I could live off it forever and a day.. and if I sold my stuff.. hundreds of millions in coins ...

now, if by chance my yocash runs out and I want a few things.. i could easily pay whatever rate and get whatever items I want.. or trade something to get it.. without having to spend anymore real money on the game...

And this ^ ^ is the cycle I was referring to.
If you were to sell your items for more YC in the AH, the cycle...would never end.

I see what everyone's saying and agree.

I've spent a lot of time at altons around new players. and I've questioned a lot of them. "Why'd you join the game etc" and usually it leads me to make some small discoveries about what it is like for them to be a new player in the game at this time.

I see a bit of a trend for some. Some of the people who join this game as a brand new player seem to not know any better other than to accept right away that buying Yocash is the only way to go. and so they get started that way. Obviously that's not everybody. But I often question brand new players and have noticed a very small trend with some of the mature and adult players...that those who like the game enough to stay, sometimes they are pretty independent right off the bat.

This is alongside all of the typical begging etc. But i think in the small case I'm pointing out now, they are joining this game so late that they don't know any better than to accept the ways the game is now and only now. Obviously this is only a small point I'm making. But I was happy to notice it!

For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

samberg, You need to re-release some of the older stuff to devalue it

i spent 1000's of real cash over the years. if they were to do that. i would never,ever put another dime in this game. i am happy BVG is not going that option

Samberg (185737325) wrote:
Thing is, how do you effectively do that?

You need to have releases that have massive coin prices on them - which won't help on the new player base as it'll be stuff they'll never afford. You need to re-release some of the older stuff to devalue it - which will upset the applecart. You need to just physically remove a boatload of coins from the game - which will also upset the applecart.

Having releases with 75k jeans or 25k hairs won't cut it. When I say massive coin prices, I'm talking 1m+ price tags or even 10m+ for that matter.

That's why they now have more varieties of items, for YoCoins, 500 coins for earrings is good for a new player, this is a system which benefits all, yet introduces higher price tags on items we used to be able to get for 1500c. Pricing things like this, is hard, I must say, but it works, slowly, but effectively.

Anthony (102235402) wrote:For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

You know what adding coins to the game does?

It just makes older items even more expensive.

So that 500k item you once liked is now a 1m coin item. While this is pretty meaningless to the older player, it's absolutely ridiculous to the newer player.

And that number can go even higher depending on how many new coins BVG is gonna pump into game by adding coin making measures.

I still don't understand how some people don't grasp that point. It's like real life when more money is printed, prices of things go up because your money has less buying power.

Anthony (102235402) wrote:For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

Until we have seen BVG's structure for making coins and their structure for pricing furniture items....it's sort of too soon to tell on this.

Love the Anthony though.

tink (185739646) wrote:samberg, You need to re-release some of the older stuff to devalue it

i spent 1000's of real cash over the years. if they were to do that. i would never,ever put another dime in this game. i am happy BVG is not going that option

Yet you won't spend 1m on any item?

Interesting.

older players will make coins too... if a new player can earn 10k a week in game, then the older player can as well.. and the older player has more options to make more .. sales, trades.. a meaningless 2012 item could be traded for a decent new item.. new players do not have that luxury .. it will be hard for the new player, no question about it, unless they spend real money

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Anthony (102235402) wrote:For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

You know what adding coins to the game does?

It just makes older items even more expensive.

So that 500k item you once liked is now a 1m coin item. While this is pretty meaningless to the older player, it's absolutely ridiculous to the newer player.

And that number can go even higher depending on how many new coins BVG is gonna pump into game by adding coin making measures.

I still don't understand how some people don't grasp that point. It's like real life when more money is printed, prices of things go up because your money has less buying power.

I have already addressed this. If this is in fact BVG's plan, then I assume they are making it work without it damaging or getting in the way of the plan. Lets say, that with the new measures, we can make 5k or even 10k a day, that new hair however, is 30k, and if you want to buy it, what happens to the coins you earned? They vanish, and you have to make more, then the same thing happens again. How are you saving coins if what they release, is just making you spend, and making them vanish?

So, as much as it sounds like they are pumping coins into the game, with the new pricing, how long will those coins really stick around?

Here's what I mean when I ramble about new players outnumbering older ones. If there are less older players now, then there are even less people with over 1 million coins. Now, how can anyone expect to sell, and make profit, if having over 5m or 10m coins is then uncommon? They would have to lower the prices of their goods to make profit.

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Anthony (102235402) wrote:For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

You know what adding coins to the game does?

It just makes older items even more expensive.

So that 500k item you once liked is now a 1m coin item. While this is pretty meaningless to the older player, it's absolutely ridiculous to the newer player.

And that number can go even higher depending on how many new coins BVG is gonna pump into game by adding coin making measures.

I still don't understand how some people don't grasp that point. It's like real life when more money is printed, prices of things go up because your money has less buying power.

lets look at the house glitch.. ppl made millions off that.. and because there are so many coins in the game, they are practically useless... some people made hundreds of milliions off that glitch.. so for them to spend 30million to get that item they always wanted, no problem, was free coins to them... that is why, more coins in game means higher prices...

Anthony (102235402) wrote:

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Anthony (102235402) wrote:For those of you who say that new players might not stick around, it may be true, but a feature is being created to help everyone earn more coins. Now all we have to do is be patient and wait for it.

Now, for those of you who believe that what's happening now with the pricing of new items in stores, is not enough, you are not the only player who plays this game, there are players who I have seen, spend over 100k daily just buying items from stores, and decorating. So you may not be a heavy spender, but there are those who are. And over time, it snowballs. Spending just a little a day can have big effects, I think some of you are not seeing this.

If a new player comes in and sees that they have a good amount of ways of earning coins, they might continue to play. And, again, it snowballs, new players begin to increase, just take a look at it, the number of daily users increased, from 40,000, to 60,000, right after BVG bought the game. How many of them could be legit new players? In while, new players will have to outnumber the old ones, and there is no stopping it.

You know what adding coins to the game does?

It just makes older items even more expensive.

So that 500k item you once liked is now a 1m coin item. While this is pretty meaningless to the older player, it's absolutely ridiculous to the newer player.

And that number can go even higher depending on how many new coins BVG is gonna pump into game by adding coin making measures.

I still don't understand how some people don't grasp that point. It's like real life when more money is printed, prices of things go up because your money has less buying power.

I have already addressed this. If this is in fact BVG's plan, then I assume they are making it work without it damaging or getting in the way of the plan. Lets say, that with the new measures, we can make 5k or even 10k a day, that new hair however, is 30k, and if you want to buy it, what happens to the coins you earned? They vanish, and you have to make more, then the same thing happens again. How are you saving coins if what they release, is just making you spend, and making them vanish?

So, as much as it sounds like they are pumping coins into the game, with the new pricing, how long will those coins really stick around?

it's happening now, i put crowns up for auction with a 50k reserve. made less than 600k. there has been several post other's having the same problem. it will slow me down selling

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Anthony (102235402) wrote:

Samberg (185737325) wrote:Prices won't fall when there are people with hundreds of millions coins to buy them.

Which is why, at this rate, in a few years, a decent amount of coins would already have been purged from the game. Possibly...

If major steps aren't taken to get coins out of the game, there won't be a game in a few years.

Someone with 300m coins, just as an example, never needs to open their wallet again to buy anything they want. They can go and decide to give yc dealers 100k+ to 1 on anything they want because, lets face it, 2m gone from that total means absolutely nothing.

People with massive amounts of coin, or the ability to get to massive amounts of coin, is not isolated. Any person with massive amount of coin has no reason to spend their real money on this game anymore or at all other than if they feel like donating to help support BVG as they don't need it to help their gameplay.

Apparently some people don't view this as the economy being broken or being a problem though.

That statement would depend very much on that Yo's spending habits......300m in this game doesn't last long.

Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:lets look at the house glitch.. ppl made millions off that.. and because there are so many coins in the game, they are practically useless... some people made hundreds of milliions off that glitch.. so for them to spend 30million to get that item they always wanted, no problem, was free coins to them... that is why, more coins in game means higher prices...

I'm thinking there are people who fail to grasp just how many people have ridiculous amounts of coin or items to get them to ridiculous amounts of coins very easily.

Coins are practically useless in this game at this point.

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:That statement would depend very much on that Yo's spending habits......300m in this game doesn't last long.

I wonder what a new player would think reading that lol

Rain (110294179) wrote:

WicKeD CorleoneBLK (168301281) wrote:Unless you're one of those players who has hundreds of millions lol

I do not have hundreds of millions, but I'm realistic. If there is something I cannot afford, I accept that I cannot have it at the present time. It's just like real life.

You do NOT need to own every item to be prosperous and to have a great time in YoWorld.

There are still lots of things in stores and for the first time, hair for coin. People are asking a lot for things that they have held onto... (like real life antiques)

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:
That statement would depend very much on that Yo's spending habits......300m in this game doesn't last long.

You're right, if all they are doing is going out and buying 08s and never selling anything, it could be gone within 3 days

Most people who have that kind of expensive spending habits never accumulate 300m at one time though. I won't say all because I'm sure there's one or two who have done it

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:lets look at the house glitch.. ppl made millions off that.. and because there are so many coins in the game, they are practically useless... some people made hundreds of milliions off that glitch.. so for them to spend 30million to get that item they always wanted, no problem, was free coins to them... that is why, more coins in game means higher prices...

I'm thinking there are people who fail to grasp just how many people have ridiculous amounts of coin or items to get them to ridiculous amounts of coins very easily.

Coins are practically useless in this game at this point.

I'm thinking you're right