Well if you read the post as you do ....You know those that are responsible ...Basically the same few form the old forum ...You should read my private messages ...I am sure you will find it interesting ?

jlock (117593921) wrote:just to add... seeing how our ingame accounts are now at stake by someone else's reporting and interpretations on what one might say to be 'offensive' or 'bullying', I will NOT be buying any yocash for a very long time. I am thankful this game is still thriving but I do not like being threatened or treated like I am a child.....

Thanks OP. Hope some of the concerns here can be commented on.

I tend not to be as outspoken as others, but I don't view those who are as bullies either. Like I mentioned earlier, that term is coined much too often... And I agree with what you're saying here Jlock. Just because I don't find myself in these situations often, there are some who have a target aimed at their backs and those who have personal vendettas they want scored. A simple opinion or something said not to their liking will surely be put on the chopping block the moment it is typed. Makes me less willing to invest on the off chance, I might have a misunderstanding with a report happy person having a bad day.

James (130702570) wrote:

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:
LOL Honestly, this just makes me seriously think hard about putting too much into the game <money wise>. The fact that my game is at risk, not because I have done anything wrong in game, but is held at the mercy of those who over mere disagreement wish to see others lose their accounts. We all know that this becomes a mission for people who can't deal with reality.

My in game behavior also is completely unrelated to my interactions here. I do not socialize much in game and when I do it is only with friends for the most part.

Here on the other hand I might disagree with someone and no matter how respectfully it is done, there are many who are easily threatened and intimidated. It is one thing to have your forum privilege at risk and completely another for the extension to game, all to be at the mercy of another persons interpretation, in a very limited medium.

I completely agree with not allowing personal attacks. I clearly understand the difference, between disagreeing, even strongly and a personal attack. So many people here do not!

i am fairly sure that any reports made to the game would be thoroughly checked and people would not lose their accounts over fabricated accusations. I think we have to have a little faith that complaints or accusations would be properly examined.

Not paying is your choice but making it a condition that seems to be an attempt at forcing BVG to change their TOS...so it suits you also doesn't seem right.

If we are kind and nice to people....no one should complain.

I in no way indicated they needed to adjust their TOS based on my concerns or to "suit me". I would not be so egotistical to even consider such a thing. I was responding with my own personal concern and how I feel. I did not make threats of trying to force anything. <to be honest my reply to you right here concerns me although in my opinion is respectful>

DANDELIONWINE (122607870) wrote:

Sooz (112570178) wrote:
Absolutely. There is a history here on the forums and it's no secret that certain posters have made it clear outside this forum that their goal is to get certain people banned. They're usually the ones who don't name names and coyly bait for reactions. I certainly hope Gary and/or Greg can see how important the block feature is.

Absolutely, and I watched it being done to good people who did not deserve to be banned....yet the bullies who pushed that report button got to stay.
I hope this is done fairly and no more good people get penalized for the actions of these 'certain posters', and we all know who they were, and have changed their names to.
I hope they all take this warning as an opportunity to change their tunes, and start being kind, nice and decent human beings.

I can absolutely guarantee that we are not talking about the same people. Everyone had a right to start this forum fresh, with new names, buried hatchets and the like. I've seen just that too! It was heartwarming and refreshing!
The posters I'm talking about didn't hesitate to out who people were in a former forum life and are continuing the same modus operandi of bait and taunt and then cry bully and report and victimize themselves. I'm hoping they will be seen for what they contribute to the situation and that those who have strong opinions aren't penalized for expressing them respectfully even though they may not coincide with those who feel another way.

THE VOODOOS (183504146) wrote:Well if you read the post as you do ....You know those that are responsible ...Basically the same few form the old forum ...You should read my private messages ...I am sure you will find it interesting ?

This is baiting!!

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:

THE VOODOOS (183504146) wrote:Well if you read the post as you do ....You know those that are responsible ...Basically the same few form the old forum ...You should read my private messages ...I am sure you will find it interesting ?

This is baiting!!

Exactly, and someone else would get banned for responding in an appropriate manor. SMH.

The people that are upset by Gary's message know full well that every report is investigated before a ban, they are worried because now they cannot have free reign of forums like they used to. Go BVG!

I'm sure they won't swing the ban hammer the second someone is reported. I would think they would go over the conversation in question and see whether intimidation and/or bullying was going on. It's their decision to make, at that point.

It's not grudge-holding if the same person continues to do the same harassing actions toward someone over at these boards. If the behavior stops and the other person still won't let it go - that's grudge holding. There are certain people I'm going to avoid over on these boards, but in no way am I going to try to take them down and get them banned - especially if it has nothing to do with me. If their behavior is truly bad enough, they'll take themselves out with their actions.

I don't think bullying is too strong of a word for what I saw on the other boards. Disagreeing on things is one thing, but to belittle and demean someone to the point where they don't want to post anymore? Yeah, that's bullying. At that point it's not a question of thicker skin, it's a matter of someone needing to lay off.

James (130702570) wrote:

jlock (117593921) wrote:just to add... seeing how our ingame accounts are now at stake by someone else's reporting and interpretations on what one might say to be 'offensive' or 'bullying', I will NOT be buying any yocash for a very long time. I am thankful this game is still thriving but I do not like being threatened or treated like I am a child.....

Thanks OP. Hope some of the concerns here can be commented on.

curious: who is threatening you? I think people who aren't nice to other people should perhaps feel warned (not really threatened).

If you are reasonably respectful of folks in general...its all good...


right?

Very well said.
There was no threats issued, and no one should feel threatened here, just relieved.
Be kind and courteous towards others in your responses and you are fine.

If you feel you must be confrotational and degrading to communicate your point, well that is a problem.
If you feel you must call your friends to help you be confrontational and degrading someone else's opinion, that too is a problem.
Those who have been guilty of this in the past, well now you have time to think it over and just be kind and courteous, and respectful to others, and all will be ok.
I saw nothing threatening in what Gary had to say to us all. I applaud it, and welcome it.

LOL! Thanks BVG for this, but if we have a disagreement towards others wouldn't it be more rational to talk it out? Anyways, thanks again for this and thanks to the sneaky ones who are hiding taking screenshots and forwarding to Bvg.

babys breath (159631965) wrote:The people that are upset by Gary's message know full well that every report is investigated before a ban, they are worried because now they cannot have free reign of forums like they used to. Go BVG!

^^ Reported you for bullying.

Assuming everyone who disagrees with the new rule is a "bully"

I have never been one who posts a lot. I am more of a reader and lurker, unless I have something to say. In all my years of being a forum member, I am not one to get in trouble because I am able to moderate my own behavior and in the times when I have read things that made me upset or angry, I had the good sense to walk away. Having said that, I just sat here and tried to think of a situation where someone was TRULY bullied. I can not think of one.

Were there situations that people have been called out for having alts and using those alts to play head games? Yup.
Were beggers called out on the forum? Yup.
Did scammers and hackers get told things they didn't want to hear about their behavior? Yup
Was baiting pointed out when some players were trying to get a rise out of others? Yup.
Did players speak up when those who faked illness and death to gain pixels were found out? Yup.

There are many, many more situations to list, but the point is there are no victims. There are many who want to play victim when they are called out for their behavior, but they give as much as they get. If you don't want conflicts, then don't create them. Take ownership of your own behavior and realize that people will speak up when you are caught being manipulative. That does not make them bullies any more than it makes you a victim.

If perhaps I missed a real case of a player being bullied on here I would love for someone to PM that situation to me. I think if people are honest with themselves though, they will realize how they contributed to the very drama they claim to hate.

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:I have never been one who posts a lot. I am more of a reader and lurker, unless I have something to say. In all my years of being a forum member, I am not one to get in trouble because I am able to moderate my own behavior and in the times when I have read things that made me upset or angry, I had the good sense to walk away. Having said that, I just sat here and tried to think of a situation where someone was TRULY bullied. I can not think of one.

Were there situations that people have been called out for having alts and using those alts to play head games? Yup.
Were beggers called out on the forum? Yup.
Did scammers and hackers get told things they didn't want to hear about their behavior? Yup
Was baiting pointed out when some players were trying to get a rise out of others? Yup.
Did players speak up when those who faked illness and death to gain pixels were found out? Yup.

There are many, many more situations to list, but the point is there are no victims. There are many who want to play victim when they are called out for their behavior, but they give as much as they get. If you don't want conflicts, then don't create them. Take ownership of your own behavior and realize that people will speak up when you are caught being manipulative. That does not make them bullies any more than it makes you a victim.

If perhaps I missed a real case of a player being bullied on here I would love for someone to PM that situation to me. I think if people are honest with themselves though, they will realize how they contributed to the very drama they claim to hate.

<3 This ^^^^

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:

THE VOODOOS (183504146) wrote:Well if you read the post as you do ....You know those that are responsible ...Basically the same few form the old forum ...You should read my private messages ...I am sure you will find it interesting ?

This is baiting!!

No its honestly

Thanks Gary! Very well said.

Also, your pants look the best on you

SofaKing Hott (123735522) wrote:

babys breath (159631965) wrote:The people that are upset by Gary's message know full well that every report is investigated before a ban, they are worried because now they cannot have free reign of forums like they used to. Go BVG!

^^ Reported you for bullying.

Assuming everyone who disagrees with the new rule is a "bully"

Since I actually agree completely with the new rule, then according to your own "logic" I would NOT be a bully, hence you would be considered a false reporter for reporting a non bully.

babys breath (159631965) wrote:

SofaKing Hott (123735522) wrote:

babys breath (159631965) wrote:The people that are upset by Gary's message know full well that every report is investigated before a ban, they are worried because now they cannot have free reign of forums like they used to. Go BVG!

^^ Reported you for bullying.

Assuming everyone who disagrees with the new rule is a "bully"

Since I actually agree completely with the new rule, then according to your own "logic" I would NOT be a bully, hence you would be considered a false reporter for reporting a non bully.

No you're bullying the bullies, making you a bully. *off with your head*

Its quite sad to see that people who have concerns are being labeled already and basically told their concerns have no merit. I have been reported for a smiley face on the old forums and because of who i agreed with there. I know people who have been reported for things that should not have been reported and i have seen grudges carried over. I have seen people even in this thread trying to be all coy but pointing fingers. Of course there are concerns. I just want to be sure that there is a way to defend ourselves against grudge reporting and that we cant lose our game because of pettiness. Its all well and good to say just be nice, but when you have people who feel that you are bringing in gangs when more than one person disagrees with a post, its kind of hard to know if you will be reported for bullying or not.

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:I have never been one who posts a lot. I am more of a reader and lurker, unless I have something to say. In all my years of being a forum member, I am not one to get in trouble because I am able to moderate my own behavior and in the times when I have read things that made me upset or angry, I had the good sense to walk away. Having said that, I just sat here and tried to think of a situation where someone was TRULY bullied. I can not think of one.

Were there situations that people have been called out for having alts and using those alts to play head games? Yup.
Were beggers called out on the forum? Yup.
Did scammers and hackers get told things they didn't want to hear about their behavior? Yup
Was baiting pointed out when some players were trying to get a rise out of others? Yup.
Did players speak up when those who faked illness and death to gain pixels were found out? Yup.

There are many, many more situations to list, but the point is there are no victims. There are many who want to play victim when they are called out for their behavior, but they give as much as they get. If you don't want conflicts, then don't create them. Take ownership of your own behavior and realize that people will speak up when you are caught being manipulative. That does not make them bullies any more than it makes you a victim.

If perhaps I missed a real case of a player being bullied on here I would love for someone to PM that situation to me. I think if people are honest with themselves though, they will realize how they contributed to the very drama they claim to hate.

AMEN!! Best post so far!

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:I have never been one who posts a lot. I am more of a reader and lurker, unless I have something to say. In all my years of being a forum member, I am not one to get in trouble because I am able to moderate my own behavior and in the times when I have read things that made me upset or angry, I had the good sense to walk away. Having said that, I just sat here and tried to think of a situation where someone was TRULY bullied. I can not think of one.

Were there situations that people have been called out for having alts and using those alts to play head games? Yup.
Were beggers called out on the forum? Yup.
Did scammers and hackers get told things they didn't want to hear about their behavior? Yup
Was baiting pointed out when some players were trying to get a rise out of others? Yup.
Did players speak up when those who faked illness and death to gain pixels were found out? Yup.

There are many, many more situations to list, but the point is there are no victims. There are many who want to play victim when they are called out for their behavior, but they give as much as they get. If you don't want conflicts, then don't create them. Take ownership of your own behavior and realize that people will speak up when you are caught being manipulative. That does not make them bullies any more than it makes you a victim.

If perhaps I missed a real case of a player being bullied on here I would love for someone to PM that situation to me. I think if people are honest with themselves though, they will realize how they contributed to the very drama they claim to hate.

I've been too busy at work to respond to this thread. But AG is spot on!!!!1