Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:
could it be a case of BVG trying to please too many players at the same time??? the ones that do not spend money on the game seem to have very loud keyboards and complain about prices and availability ... almost making the yocash buying player feel guilty ...

people need to be reminded, there is a free aspect of the game, then there is the paid aspect.. much like anything else in life. you get what you pay for.. pay nothing, get nothing, pay lots, ... you get the picture..

but nope, I cannot say that, that makes me a bad person, greedy, unfair even...

I think so. They seem to want to please everyone but from a business standpoint, they financially can't afford to do that. I'll say it straight out that there are a good amount of vocal players who want something for nothing. That's not going to keep the game they love out of the red and continuing.

♥Zally (11403) wrote:I've been saying this all along. Pricing is one thing Zynga maybe sorta got right. We all expected accs to be cash, whether we liked it or not. If you give people a choice between coin and cash the coin ones will be bought, bad for BVG's bottom line and in the end bad for us all


I also agree with the people saying how will we price them later on, remember what was cash and hm. Opens people up to undo scamming imo

That's another excellent point too. Most people can't remember what's currently in stores! How are people going to differentiate between what was coin and what was yc? I agree.. Z got their pricing right, to an extent, as far as accessories and premium decorating items. But if they weren't making a profit, then what's the solution? Because coin stuff sure isn't going to keep the game alive!!
I'll say it again.. pay to play. Period. $5 a month or a 3 month subscription... If my son wants to do anything remotely cool on roblox, he pays. (ok, I pay. lol) Minecraft wasn't free... Xbox live isn't free... I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to play Yo.

Nobody wants to pay 20 or 30:1 YC when they can get the same item of another color for 20k in the shop. You're right.

I would have paid 140k for these shades at 20:1 YC rate but the 19,950 red pair works just fine too. In fact, the 14,450 pair were my first choice. These were second. Anyway...

Everyone complains about prices too high, we need more coins but BVG needs $. So, let's get the YC rate back down to a 3:1 ratio and everyone will benefit, just won't get rich off of selling a couple of hairs. Which doesn't make you rich anyway, because as soon as you have a slow week/month and can't buy YC of your own, that's when the BEST items come out and all your coins go buh-bye as you hunt down the YC dealer that is not you. lol

But yeah, I think it's a good thing. Buy that extra pair to sell but anyone who does will have to make the price fair to compete with what is in shop. 3 or 6:1 ratio is a good thing for everybody. Cheaper for newbies, easier to reach their goals, BVG still makes money... all good.

MoON (13867727) wrote:Nobody wants to pay 20 or 30:1 YC when they can get the same item of another color for 20k in the shop. You're right.

I would have paid 140k for these shades at 20:1 YC rate but the 19,950 red pair works just fine too. In fact, the 14,450 pair were my first choice. These were second. Anyway...

Everyone complains about prices too high, we need more coins but BVG needs $. So, let's get the YC rate back down to a 3:1 ratio and everyone will benefit, just won't get rich off of selling a couple of hairs. Which doesn't make you rich anyway, because as soon as you have a slow week/month and can't buy YC of your own, that's when the BEST items come out and all your coins go buh-bye as you hunt down the YC dealer that is not you. lol

But yeah, I think it's a good thing. Buy that extra pair to sell but anyone who does will have to make the price fair to compete with what is in shop. 3 or 6:1 ratio is a good thing for everybody. Cheaper for newbies, easier to reach their goals, BVG still makes money... all good.

I see no incentive to buy yocash to sell it to someone that gets free coins... sorry.. if people want yocash items, they have choices, buy some, or pay whatever the rate is...

the bubble machine is 39 yocach.. at 3 to 1.. equals 117k ... doesn't seem worth it to me .. spending real money to trade for free coins.... ..

but, if anyone wants to start selling at 3-1.. let me know... I have a list of things I want

I think the yocash rate should be 100k per yocash ...

3:1 ??? My spending cash doesn't come as easily as it did back when those were the rates. YC rates do reflect our real life economy... inflation. Everything is going up except salaries. At that rate, I'd never sell yc. Not worth it, at all.

Remember that while yocash selling rates seem to be dropping, what you can buy with those coins is still hideously expensive. It used to be that someone would sell yocash to buy a costume. When the rates were 3:1 the 08's were not that expensive, comparitively. What used to cost 2M now costs 35M. So yeah. There is just no incentive to sell yocash cheap.

The highest priced of the newest shades is 9 YC. The highest priced coin pair is 19,950. That is just over a 2:1 ratio. Nobody can expect to sell a pair at 180k.

Yeah, I remember 3:1 ratio so used that as example. Of course, it seems a pittance now, compared to 40:1 but at 3 and 6:1 we had full events of people selling/buying/auctioning and having a really good time.

Personally, I'm not bothered, however it goes. Just throwing out an observation.

what seems to be forgotten is

the house glitch.. players made hundreds of millions off that glitch... with such a HUGE amount of coins in the game.. yocash should rise to reflect that.... this is no joke, there are players that made several hundred million coins..

with items staying in the stores for extended periods of time (will remain in stores till sales drop off) means that yocash items are the only items that can be bought and sold... and at this point, why does a player that buys yocash even need to sell??? we can earn coins as easily as anyone else .. what good is it having so many coins???

LilyBgoode (184957566) wrote:Remember that while yocash selling rates seem to be dropping, what you can buy with those coins is still hideously expensive. It used to be that someone would sell yocash to buy a costume. When the rates were 3:1 the 08's were not that expensive, comparitively. What used to cost 2M now costs 35M. So yeah. There is just no incentive to sell yocash cheap.

I can see that. But I'm not into the whole '08 thing and never really have been. It would make sense though, that eventually, those prices would drop if nobody was able to ever save enough to buy.

MoON (13867727) wrote:

LilyBgoode (184957566) wrote:Remember that while yocash selling rates seem to be dropping, what you can buy with those coins is still hideously expensive. It used to be that someone would sell yocash to buy a costume. When the rates were 3:1 the 08's were not that expensive, comparitively. What used to cost 2M now costs 35M. So yeah. There is just no incentive to sell yocash cheap.

I can see that. But I'm not into the whole '08 thing and never really have been. It would make sense though, that eventually, those prices would drop if nobody was able to ever save enough to buy.

Well what I"m saying is that the days of buying yocash to sell may be on the way out for the most part. And that can't be good for BVG's bottom line.

The only way I see the economy working with the pricing we have now, is if we buy coins AND yocash from BVG. And who knows, maybe that is what they're after. Their plan to suck the coins out of the game seems to be working.

MoON (13867727) wrote:

LilyBgoode (184957566) wrote:Remember that while yocash selling rates seem to be dropping, what you can buy with those coins is still hideously expensive. It used to be that someone would sell yocash to buy a costume. When the rates were 3:1 the 08's were not that expensive, comparitively. What used to cost 2M now costs 35M. So yeah. There is just no incentive to sell yocash cheap.

I can see that. But I'm not into the whole '08 thing and never really have been. It would make sense though, that eventually, those prices would drop if nobody was able to ever save enough to buy.

but even with new items... the bubble machine for instance... it's 39 yocash out of stores.. that means I have to spend 10$ real money to get it... 1 item.. nearly 10$ ... cash .. I work hard for my money, and I know that when I am working and sweating my arse off, the last thing I am thinking is.. can't wait to get home so i can buy some yocash so i can sell it for coins ... there is no incentive to sell yocash anymore.. most of us have all the old stuff we want.. and can afford anything new...

why, why should anyone buy yocash to sell ??

and moon, or anyone else .. .. this is a discussion and I really am not trying to piss anyone off or make anyone upset

Hugs, Flatch! I am not offended, I enjoy a lively discussion.

"why, why should anyone buy yocash to sell ??"

This, I can't answer. I think I only ever dealt YC one time. I used to love to have sales, but ya know, to refill my piggy bank and get rid of stuff I didn't want. Getting rich here was never really a part of the game for me. I am more at home in a tent by the lake, hunting geodes than under a gilded roof, eating caviar... in any world, virtual/not.

LilyBgoode (184957566) wrote:
Well what I"m saying is that the days of buying yocash to sell may be on the way out for the most part. And that can't be good for BVG's bottom line.

The only way I see the economy working with the pricing we have now, is if we buy coins AND yocash from BVG. And who knows, maybe that is what they're after. Their plan to suck the coins out of the game seems to be working.

Is it BVG trying to suck the coins out of the game, or other players trying to suck your coins dry while they fill theirs till to max?

What do those people who have billions, do with them? It's like a game, all it's own, to collect that much, I guess.

I really had no idea of any glitch in AH... or the coin glitch in casino, until way after they were patched. But if people somehow, made mils of these glitches, accounts should have been rolled back. Seems it wreaked havoc on the game econ. I have a feeling that is going to be an unpopular sentiment. But I hope that BVG will consider this approach for future. Anything gained by taking advantage of an exploit is pretty much cheating.

MoON (13867727) wrote:Hugs, Flatch! I am not offended, I enjoy a lively discussion.

"why, why should anyone buy yocash to sell ??"

This, I can't answer. I think I only ever dealt YC one time. I used to love to have sales, but ya know, to refill my piggy bank and get rid of stuff I didn't want. Getting rich here was never really a part of the game for me. I am more at home in a tent by the lake, hunting geodes than under a gilded roof, eating caviar... in any world, virtual/not.

you and me both ... I was never into being rich or having all the expensive things.. I wanted things so I saved, searched for the right deal.. was not in a rush at all... I use items as props to support and enhance my humorous side..

one thing that is also not mentioned here.. price jacking.. that was done because they were selling the coins... the more coins they made the more real money they made.. now, coin sellers are not as visible (yes, they are in game still, just more undercover) and I would imagine that the rates for coins has actually increased because of the lack of ways to earn coins available in the game ...

Not many coins to earn right now and for some that means they cannot afford the yc items and will just have to earn enough coins to buy a coin one. Like it or not the purchase of yc for some is coin driven take that away is like shooting the yo-economy in the foot.. once coins are available again yc sells will increase substantially.

I do agree. People are complaining about the coins stuff anyways, I say make it all yc .

I agree, exploiting glitches in the game gave some an unfair advantage that now will only hurt those of us who did not exploit them. We just sit and wait and the coin hoards wait for the next release and milk all the can from as many as they can.

MoON (13867727) wrote:

LilyBgoode (184957566) wrote:
Well what I"m saying is that the days of buying yocash to sell may be on the way out for the most part. And that can't be good for BVG's bottom line.

The only way I see the economy working with the pricing we have now, is if we buy coins AND yocash from BVG. And who knows, maybe that is what they're after. Their plan to suck the coins out of the game seems to be working.

Is it BVG trying to suck the coins out of the game, or other players trying to suck your coins dry while they fill theirs till to max?

What do those people who have billions, do with them? It's like a game, all it's own, to collect that much, I guess.

I really had no idea of any glitch in AH... or the coin glitch in casino, until way after they were patched. But if people somehow, made mils of these glitches, accounts should have been rolled back. Seems it wreaked havoc on the game econ. I have a feeling that is going to be an unpopular sentiment. But I hope that BVG will consider this approach for future. Anything gained by taking advantage of an exploit is pretty much cheating.

MoON (13867727) wrote:Is it BVG trying to suck the coins out of the game, or other players trying to suck your coins dry while they fill theirs till to max?

What do those people who have billions, do with them? It's like a game, all it's own, to collect that much, I guess.

I really had no idea of any glitch in AH... or the coin glitch in casino, until way after they were patched. But if people somehow, made mils of these glitches, accounts should have been rolled back. Seems it wreaked havoc on the game econ. I have a feeling that is going to be an unpopular sentiment. But I hope that BVG will consider this approach for future. Anything gained by taking advantage of an exploit is pretty much cheating.

the house glitch.. there was a house available for 1 coin.. and when you bought it you were given 1 wallpaper and 1 floor, that could be sold back to stores... some players bought thousands of these 1 coin homes, sold the papers and floors back.. a glitch that was zynga's fault.. not the players.. as a result of that glitch alone.. billlions were brought into game thru many, many players

Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:
I can see that. But I'm not into the whole '08 thing and never really have been. It would make sense though, that eventually, those prices would drop if nobody was able to ever save enough to buy.

but even with new items... the bubble machine for instance... it's 39 yocash out of stores.. that means I have to spend 10$ real money to get it... 1 item.. nearly 10$ ... cash .. I work hard for my money, and I know that when I am working and sweating my arse off, the last thing I am thinking is.. can't wait to get home so i can buy some yocash so i can sell it for coins ... there is no incentive to sell yocash anymore.. most of us have all the old stuff we want.. and can afford anything new...

why, why should anyone buy yocash to sell ??

I get what you're saying, but many people rely on their coin supply from selling yocash. Also if yocash dealers stopped do you really think that would force people to buy yc? That would just make everything more corrupt and just increase the price.
Soon we'll be at 1mill-1yc lol.