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- YoWorld Forums > YoWorld Discussions > [VAULTING THEMES] Official Communication (Mon, Sept 9th)

Jade
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:52 pm

Leeum (130695460) wrote:
Jade (136873125) wrote:
JulieHootieScraps (108384802) wrote:Copied from Fermit:

this is my list so far of items that have to stay
Yellow sun beam (all beams are used used for lighting and colouring in sky scenes, through windows, etc)
White sun beam
Purple sun beam
Scorch mark 1 ( all scorch marks used for darkening areas, shadowing effects, making the illusion of steps etc)
Scorch mark 2
Scorch mark 3
Scorch mark 4
Hanging ivy 1, 2 and 3 (ivy's used indoors and outdoor scenes)
Growing ivy 1, 2, 3
Curtained windows
All alcoves (used in many interior projects)
Medieval pillars all (used in landscaping scenes, making fences etc.
Garden box all sizes
Stone archway
Stone pillar all (used for landscaping scenes, bridges, to create walls etc.)
Double medieval window (medieval windows used widely for castle builds of different variations both interior and exterior)
Round medieval window
Rectangular medieval window
Curved medieval window
Single stone 1, 2, 3 and 4
Standing stones
Large stalagmite (used for creating cave scenes)
Small stalagmite
Medium stalagmite
Corner support pillar
Tall wall pillar (all pillars used for creating both interior scenes and exterior building scenes- castles houses, bridges etc)
Tall mossy wall pillar
Tall broken pillar
Thick mossy pillar
Thick broken pillar
Tall pillar
Thick pillar
Tall mossy pillar
Silver chandelier rope (these are commonly used for the outlining house walls when constructing your own house our of tiles etc)
gold chandelier rope
Garden box all sizes (used to create bases of homemade fireplaces and garden scenes. Also used for steps in housing projects or to create 3d effects in landscapes.)

This is a very small percentage of the 331 items in the MF2015 theme!

What we're asking for is about 20% of the theme.

One fifth.

Less than half.

Is it really SO unreasonable?

Their so called Foundation items would include the Pillars, Windows and the Arches! So those should have been in the YoDepot to begin with! Therefore it's an even smaller percentage of items that the player's are asking to be moved to the YoDepot! They are stripping player's of very unique item's!

cathy
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:54 pm

Personally I would LOVE a survey on what stays or goes. However, I understand for everything to be on there it would be a long survey. You need players to decide what's on the survey. If Bvg decides there will always be things on there that are missing. Understandably you would only put "core" items into the depot. But please think of it from a gamer perspective. The rays are used in lighting. The chandelier ropes divide rooms, create division on windows or work for pictos. If you take these type of things out of game would they ever realistically be replaced? We use multiples of everything to create a room. When I saw multiples I don't mean 10, I mean huge amounts. If i'm making a flowing river I need hundreds of puddles. I can't afford for new items to be yc. It really pulls down on decorating.

Or why you take out themes and replace it with a lot less complete theme?
I can promise you that this is definitely not our intention at all. When we plan a theme, the planners continuously strive to create well-rounded, cohesive, and complete themes. This is the case for all new and upcoming themes that you see come into YoWorld. Should we ever miss the mark with a theme, we gather this information via player feedback, which is why your comments and suggestions are crucial.
Awhile ago (years? idk) there was a big thing about bvg saying they will no longer release full themes. They will release half and mostly full b/c we are supposed to "fill" with old themes. So has this changed? And I stopped feedback surveys b/c I don't feel like i'm being heard.

All around I feel like bvg is missing the mark (and that's not you, I mean bvg-I have to make that clarification b/c another mod once seemed to think I was attacking her)

Anthony SpaceTime
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:55 pm

Is Columbus theme still in stores? If so, why?

cathy
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:57 pm

Leeum (130695460) wrote:What happened to the BVG we used to know? What happened to the love you "had" for YoFans? What happened to listening to our feedback? What happened to the transparency we were promised? What happened at BVG HQ?

You're not the BVG we once knew. You're not the company that promised us total honesty and transparency. You're not the company who once cared for their fans. You did what every company did, grew and forgot exactly why the players loved you and wanted you to take over this amazing game.

Most players will spend at least a dollar here at some point, because they have a massive love for this game. This game is an escape, a way for us to forget what's happening in the real world, a place for us to be creative, to make rooms we love, outfits we wish we could wear in real life and a place for us to socialise. But you no longer care about that.

You can tell us you still love us, that you care, that you hear our feedback, but none of it's true - and you know it. What you love now is our wallets, and that's exactly why this vaulting continues. That's the real reason why we won't see any (or the bare minimum) of MF2015 items moved to YoDepot - you simply don't care about anything but our money.

And before someone tells me off for calling you out on only caring about our money, I know a business needs money to survive. But a business can't survive if it neglects the wants of its customers. A business needs a balance between caring about the wants of its customers, and the wants of its bank account. You do not have that balance.

I think we'd all accept vaulting a bit more if we weren't constantly being bombarded with sales, YoCash deals, mystery crates, gem events, themes and said vaulting. We don't get a break anymore. Instead of being a fun escape, YoWorld is becoming a daily chore.

Realise what you've got before it's gone. Players won't always be passionate, and once they're not, you need to worry. Find a balance, find the company we once loved, or you'll push us all away.

That's all.

I have to say a lot of the time I don't agree with you very much. But this. This is very well said and thought out and I agree :heart:

JulieHootieScraps
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:57 pm

Anthony SpaceTime (102235402) wrote:Is Columbus theme still in stores? If so, why?

Yes, & there's like 1 or 2 items.

Erwyle
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:57 pm

The point I've been trying to make lately is we need a better method for choosing the YoDepot items. The survey idea might help, anything would be better. But as it is now, it's very random and chaotic...
:phew:

Leeum
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:59 pm

Based on what you've said, these themes should expire before themes such as MF2015 and ER2018:

Columbus Day Special
Christmas Gift Pack
Miami Exclusive Mystery Gift
Avenues Pack
St. Pat
Easter
Growing Items
Australia Day
Fathers Day 2016
Yoscars 2016 / 17
Memorial Day
Summer Fun
Friday the 13th
Spring Fling 2016

That's 15 themes, out of the 80 you've said, which could be removed (19%).

So, now I ask, can you please tell us the truth? Because vaulting has nothing to do with the amount of themes available instore.

Girl Detective
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:00 pm

Mir (102794171) wrote:Can you give us list of what you intend to keep from a vaulted theme so that we are then able to make the decision for ourselves on what we intend to hoard for future purposes

And just to make sure there isn't any confusion to the above. Not a maybe, could be, possibly, or even "Foundation" items, because you've vaulted items that came under your so called "foundation" items in previous themes.

Just. A. Clear. Cut. And. Dry. List. Of. What. You. Are. Keeping. From. A. Theme. That's. Being. Vaulted.

Yes, please. And also if you are planning to wait to tell us towards the end of the timer on this, could you make sure that there will be no scheduled maintenance for the remaining days on the timer? I missed out on getting my theater chairs successfully purchased because of the excessive lag and maintenance the day I was purchasing them. I kept getting kicked out of the game and even though it said my purchases were successful before I got kicked, none of them actually went into my inventory. I didn't lose the coins, but of course, didn't get the chairs, which I really needed.

Leeum
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:03 pm

cathy (115782367) wrote:I have to say a lot of the time I don't agree with you very much. But this. This is very well said and thought out and I agree

Serenity Now
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:12 pm

Anthony SpaceTime (102235402) wrote:Is Columbus theme still in stores? If so, why?

No coin chairs?

Jade
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:19 pm

Leeum (130695460) wrote:What happened to the BVG we used to know? What happened to the love you "had" for YoFans? What happened to listening to our feedback? What happened to the transparency we were promised? What happened at BVG HQ?

You're not the BVG we once knew. You're not the company that promised us total honesty and transparency. You're not the company who once cared for their fans. You did what every company did, grew and forgot exactly why the players loved you and wanted you to take over this amazing game.

Most players will spend at least a dollar here at some point, because they have a massive love for this game. This game is an escape, a way for us to forget what's happening in the real world, a place for us to be creative, to make rooms we love, outfits we wish we could wear in real life and a place for us to socialise. But you no longer care about that.

You can tell us you still love us, that you care, that you hear our feedback, but none of it's true - and you know it. What you love now is our wallets, and that's exactly why this vaulting continues. That's the real reason why we won't see any (or the bare minimum) of MF2015 items moved to YoDepot - you simply don't care about anything but our money.

And before someone tells me off for calling you out on only caring about our money, I know a business needs money to survive. But a business can't survive if it neglects the wants of its customers. A business needs a balance between caring about the wants of its customers, and the wants of its bank account. You do not have that balance.

I think we'd all accept vaulting a bit more if we weren't constantly being bombarded with sales, YoCash deals, mystery crates, gem events, themes and said vaulting. We don't get a break anymore. Instead of being a fun escape, YoWorld is becoming a daily chore.

Realise what you've got before it's gone. Players won't always be passionate, and once they're not, you need to worry. Find a balance, find the company we once loved, or you'll push us all away.

That's all.

Very well said! It's all gone downhill ever since Jess and David left, as so much has changed since then! I feel they were both more caring, in the corner of the player's and they were the ones who pushed for our request's to get items moved to the YoDepot!

Quarantined Mata
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:24 pm

Anthony SpaceTime (102235402) wrote:Is Columbus theme still in stores? If so, why?

Exactly.

Viking Sarah
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:41 pm

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:The point I've been trying to make lately is we need a better method for choosing the YoDepot items. The survey idea might help, anything would be better. But as it is now, it's very random and chaotic...

As we continue to read your’s and everyone’s feedback, I have noted this common player sentiment that the current method of theme vaulting could be “cleaned up”, per say, with additional avenues to allow player input and feedback into which themes are vaulted, and ultimately which items are saved.

We completely understand your frustration at the situation as well, but I’d like to further reassure everyone that decisions such as vaulting are not made on a whim, nor are they taken lightly. We have teams dedicated to solely evaluating historical data and player feedback before big changes like vaulting are implemented in YoWorld.

Despite the easy and obvious conclusion that we don’t care about YoFans, that is the exact opposite. Every single Viking understands that YoFans are what make YoWorld go round, and are a driving force behind everything we do.

In the overall case of vaulting, all of your feedback is being compiled so that we may proceed with a system that is as transparent as possible, while still working towards the longevity of YoWorld. When it comes to MF2015, we are also listening and will work to see what can be done.

Change is never an easy pill to swallow, and Viking Andrew and myself are here to help everyone through it. We may not always be the bearers of good news, but we will always be your voice when needed.

sNaPCaCkLeNPooP
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:42 pm

This is the list I think that are of the most importance to many decorators. Yes there is plenty more out of this one theme but these items are used many at a time for rooms or used to create certain scenes. The main 3 items would be scorch marks, sun beams, and the ropes. I bet if you looked at the sales for this theme you would see it.

JamesBowman
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:47 pm

I honestly thought that the vault had something to do with transferring YoWorld into HTML5 away from Adobe Flash.

Cookie Monster
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:49 pm

Anthony SpaceTime (102235402) wrote:Is Columbus theme still in stores? If so, why?

The same reason that chests are giving snow-covered items when the majority of players just finished summer. I have no idea what that reason is... just sayin'.

Fermitthekrog
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:50 pm

I would just like to add the poll would be beneficial yes but so would moving the items in a more timely manner not last minute. If you want to appeal to mass buyers then move half way through if there is no intention to do on release or at start.

sNaPCaCkLeNPooP
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:55 pm

FermitthekrogYBLA (1195434) wrote:I would just like to add the poll would be beneficial yes but so would moving the items in a more timely manner not last minute. If you want to appeal to mass buyers then move half way through if there is no intention to do on release or at start.

Cookie Monster
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:55 pm

JamesBowman (186253444) wrote:I honestly thought that the vault had something to do with transferring YoWorld into HTML5 away from Adobe Flash.

There's no technological reason for it. Marketing reason, maybe... "To celebrate the move to HTML5, we're bringing back...!"

Snorty
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:56 pm

Viking Sarah wrote:Change is never an easy pill to swallow, and Viking Andrew and myself are here to help everyone through it. We may not always be the bearers of good news, but we will always be your voice when needed.

Change isnt the issue and Its a bit annoying that its being framed that way. Its losing so many building blocks. I am glad to see that you are looking at new ways to decide what stays because what you guys consider building blocks and what some of our top designers think are basic staples are so far from the same that its not even the same planet it seems. I hope that any surveys go out in game and on your facebook page.
Its also losing 4 themes a month. Thats not change, its carnage. Its expensive and its exhausting. Its not fun. It doesnt make anyone feel happy. Its hard work and it takes the focus away from your new themes. Who cares about buying new stuff in stores when you are having to stock up so many things so often? I still cant enjoy the new theme(well part two anyway, I didnt like part one at all.) because I may have to try and buy a lifetime of scorchmarks and sunbeams and pillars since we arent being told until the last day. maybe since you are vaulting so much(bvg in general, not YOU in particular) you could overhaul points and placing multiple items in a room so we are not so overwhelmed when we are forced to hoard.
Change can be good. When change is implemented for the good of us all, I can understand. I can even understand some reasoning for themes being vaulted or even expired. I cant understand 4 themes a month and the arbitrary way things are saved.