Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:Here's something a little funny and interesting.

While doing the Gem Event deco challenge.. if one of your buddies joins you in the Gem room while you are in edit you can finish and submit the room, then refresh and join your buddy in the Gem room you just submitted.

Then you can edit and take everything out ... then loan it out. Your score will suck because the room is empty. For the Super Challenge deco challenge I bet players are doing/will do it just to get the extra gems and any other benefit that comes with submission. (if BVG decided to add a couple tiers that get unlocked once the Super Challenge entries are submitted)

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

What player's see during the voting is what your room looked like when you submitted it which is just a screenshot of your room, as the actual room's don't get released until the scores are revealed!!!

Jade (136873125) wrote:

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:Here's something a little funny and interesting.

While doing the Gem Event deco challenge.. if one of your buddies joins you in the Gem room while you are in edit you can finish and submit the room, then refresh and join your buddy in the Gem room you just submitted.

Then you can edit and take everything out ... then loan it out. Your score will suck because the room is empty. For the Super Challenge deco challenge I bet players are doing/will do it just to get the extra gems and any other benefit that comes with submission. (if BVG decided to add a couple tiers that get unlocked once the Super Challenge entries are submitted)

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

What player's see during the voting isn't your actual room, it's just a screenshot of your room, as the room's to get released until the scores are revealed!!!

Right!!!.. and if you go thru the process I described above .. upon saving the re-edit.. it resubmits the entry, showing the new room with nothing in it. The screenshot of your new and unimproved room will be shown in all it's depleted glory

I added a few exclamation marks to match yours .. I want to be at the same level of excitement in my words

I wasn't actually responding to what you said, I was responding to someone else, I have you blocked and for you to then click to display my comment and make a comment implying/saying I am wrong.. is odd.

I imagine it was discovered by mistake like most things that are not normal.

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:

Jade (136873125) wrote:

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:Here's something a little funny and interesting.

While doing the Gem Event deco challenge.. if one of your buddies joins you in the Gem room while you are in edit you can finish and submit the room, then refresh and join your buddy in the Gem room you just submitted.

Then you can edit and take everything out ... then loan it out. Your score will suck because the room is empty. For the Super Challenge deco challenge I bet players are doing/will do it just to get the extra gems and any other benefit that comes with submission. (if BVG decided to add a couple tiers that get unlocked once the Super Challenge entries are submitted)

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

What player's see during the voting isn't your actual room, it's just a screenshot of your room, as the room's to get released until the scores are revealed!!!

Right!!!.. and if you go thru the process I described above .. upon saving the re-edit.. it resubmits the entry, showing the new room with nothing in it. The screenshot of your new and unimproved room will be shown in all it's depleted glory

I added a few exclamation marks to match yours .. I want to be at the same level of excitement in my words

I wasn't actually responding to what you said, I was responding to someone else, I have you blocked and for you to then click to display my comment and make a comment implying/saying I am wrong.. is odd.

I imagine it was discovered by mistake like most things that are not normal.

OOOhhhhh!!! I am very excited, how do we block people on the forums??
I've been searching for hours!!

user control panel ... friends and foes ... manage foes...

copy forum ID... in the add new foes section paste .. Flatch Ulater (13247207) ... hit submit..

done, bob's your uncle.

Skippy (126799010) wrote:OOOhhhhh!!! I am very excited, how do we block people on the forums??
I've been searching for hours!!

Jade (136873125) wrote:

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

Furniture items can be loaned if a player has duplicates!

yes, there is that. I have lent doubles to friends in the past too, but rarely do I personally have doubles of big items to lend. The only thing I'd find useful if the didn't lock the furniture items is that I could put them back into my real homes room instead of a barren or half decorated room for 3 days. I'm still wondering if anyone got a 5.8 last challenge, doesn't look like it as I skim the posts.

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:user control panel ... friends and foes ... manage foes...

copy forum ID... in the add new foes section paste .. Flatch Ulater (13247207) ... hit submit..

done, bob's your uncle.

Skippy (126799010) wrote:OOOhhhhh!!! I am very excited, how do we block people on the forums??
I've been searching for hours!!

Not YOU lol!!!

I just put mine there as an example. but it's there for anyone feeling the urge

Skippy (126799010) wrote:

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:user control panel ... friends and foes ... manage foes...

copy forum ID... in the add new foes section paste .. Flatch Ulater (13247207) ... hit submit..

done, bob's your uncle.

Skippy (126799010) wrote:OOOhhhhh!!! I am very excited, how do we block people on the forums??
I've been searching for hours!!

Not YOU lol!!!

Lynn (13116850) wrote:

Jade (136873125) wrote:

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

Furniture items can be loaned if a player has duplicates!

yes, there is that. I have lent doubles to friends in the past too, but rarely do I personally have doubles of big items to lend. The only thing I'd find useful if the didn't lock the furniture items is that I could put them back into my real homes room instead of a barren or half decorated room for 3 days. I'm still wondering if anyone got a 5.8 last challenge, doesn't look like it as I skim the posts.

That certainly would be useful! I have not heard if anyone got a 5.8!

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:

Jade (136873125) wrote:

Flatch Ulater (13247207) wrote:Here's something a little funny and interesting.

While doing the Gem Event deco challenge.. if one of your buddies joins you in the Gem room while you are in edit you can finish and submit the room, then refresh and join your buddy in the Gem room you just submitted.

Then you can edit and take everything out ... then loan it out. Your score will suck because the room is empty. For the Super Challenge deco challenge I bet players are doing/will do it just to get the extra gems and any other benefit that comes with submission. (if BVG decided to add a couple tiers that get unlocked once the Super Challenge entries are submitted)

Lynn (13116850) wrote:You can't currently "loan" the items needed for furniture challenges if you also used them in the challenge.

What player's see during the voting isn't your actual room, it's just a screenshot of your room, as the room's to get released until the scores are revealed!!!

Right!!!.. and if you go thru the process I described above .. upon saving the re-edit.. it resubmits the entry, showing the new room with nothing in it. The screenshot of your new and unimproved room will be shown in all it's depleted glory

I added a few exclamation marks to match yours .. I want to be at the same level of excitement in my words

I wasn't actually responding to what you said, I was responding to someone else, I have you blocked and for you to then click to display my comment and make a comment implying/saying I am wrong.. is odd.

I imagine it was discovered by mistake like most things that are not normal.

That only works on your end, not mine since you aren't in my foe list!

Can we maybe try to move this post back on track? Anybody get a 5.8 in the clothing challenge? Anybody?

Lynn (13116850) wrote:Can we maybe try to move this post back on track? Anybody get a 5.8 in the clothing challenge? Anybody?

I did reply this to you above! I have not heard if anyone got a 5.8!

Thanks Jade I just saw that. That's so sad. That challenge was expensive.

Lynn (13116850) wrote:Thanks Jade I just saw that. That's so sad. That challenge was expensive.

Perhaps someone did win, but they don't want to say anything!

I hope so

Lynn (13116850) wrote:I hope so

It would be nice if someone did out of all those entries! I will keep my eyes peeled on the thread for the room scores tomorrow!

I believed I looked really hippy bohemian and cool. I used all 4 required items. Filled my bar to 0.8. I probably ended up with the worst score I have ever got for a dress up challenge. I find it really weird. Perhaps not many voted refusing to participate because they couldn't enter themselves.

So no 5.8 score here. I've been asking heaps of people in the game if they joined in and what score did they get. Not one has said they got more than 5.5.

If I understand the way the voting gets calculated, every up vote for one, takes points away from the other entry. I posed the question to AI if a perfect score was achievable, using that methodology & this was the response from AI: "No, in a contest where upvoting one entry subtracts points from the other, it is not possible for both entries to achieve a perfect score simultaneously.
Here's why:
Zero-Sum Dynamic: The core mechanic of this voting system creates a zero-sum or negative-sum game. Every positive vote for one entry directly results in a point reduction for the other.
Mutual Exclusivity: For one entry to have a perfect score (presumably the maximum possible points), it would require receiving a substantial number of upvotes. However, those same upvotes would deduct points from the other entry, preventing it from also achieving a perfect score.
Inherent Trade-off: The voting system creates a direct trade-off. One entry can only gain at the expense of the other, making simultaneous perfect scores impossible.
In summary: The contest's design inherently prevents both entries from achieving a perfect score. One entry's gain is directly tied to the other's loss." We were had folks, seems like there was no way to achieve a 5.8 perfect score with less entries & more people voting .

Lynn (13116850) wrote:If I understand the way the voting gets calculated, every up vote for one, takes points away from the other entry. I posed the question to AI if a perfect score was achievable, using that methodology & this was the response from AI: "No, in a contest where upvoting one entry subtracts points from the other, it is not possible for both entries to achieve a perfect score simultaneously.
Here's why:
Zero-Sum Dynamic: The core mechanic of this voting system creates a zero-sum or negative-sum game. Every positive vote for one entry directly results in a point reduction for the other.
Mutual Exclusivity: For one entry to have a perfect score (presumably the maximum possible points), it would require receiving a substantial number of upvotes. However, those same upvotes would deduct points from the other entry, preventing it from also achieving a perfect score.
Inherent Trade-off: The voting system creates a direct trade-off. One entry can only gain at the expense of the other, making simultaneous perfect scores impossible.
In summary: The contest's design inherently prevents both entries from achieving a perfect score. One entry's gain is directly tied to the other's loss." We were had folks, seems like there was no way to achieve a 5.8 perfect score.

Perhaps you need to rephrase the question to AI. Obviously, one entry of each pair to vote on will get downvoted when the other gets upvoted. It doesn't factor in skipping, which should not affect a score. But achieving a 5.8 score IS possible because it happens all the time in "normal" GE contests. Just because the stakes were higher and the rewards were higher in the last two mega challenges, the voting remained the same -- so there should have been some winners.

In a normal contest where there were more entries, & most players choosing only 5 to vote on, yes, there IS a chance. That is not what happened here. The requirements were too prohibitive to allow many to enter. And many thought that voting for more than 5 & people voting that didn't enter. Under that parameter, no it was not possible. I don't think how I asked was the problem. The challenge was stacked against us.

JulieHootieScraps (108384802) wrote:

Lynn (13116850) wrote:If I understand the way the voting gets calculated, every up vote for one, takes points away from the other entry. I posed the question to AI if a perfect score was achievable, using that methodology & this was the response from AI: "No, in a contest where upvoting one entry subtracts points from the other, it is not possible for both entries to achieve a perfect score simultaneously.
Here's why:
Zero-Sum Dynamic: The core mechanic of this voting system creates a zero-sum or negative-sum game. Every positive vote for one entry directly results in a point reduction for the other.
Mutual Exclusivity: For one entry to have a perfect score (presumably the maximum possible points), it would require receiving a substantial number of upvotes. However, those same upvotes would deduct points from the other entry, preventing it from also achieving a perfect score.
Inherent Trade-off: The voting system creates a direct trade-off. One entry can only gain at the expense of the other, making simultaneous perfect scores impossible.
In summary: The contest's design inherently prevents both entries from achieving a perfect score. One entry's gain is directly tied to the other's loss." We were had folks, seems like there was no way to achieve a 5.8 perfect score.

Perhaps you need to rephrase the question to AI. Obviously, one entry of each pair to vote on will get downvoted when the other gets upvoted. It doesn't factor in skipping, which should not affect a score. But achieving a 5.8 score IS possible because it happens all the time in "normal" GE contests. Just because the stakes were higher and the rewards were higher in the last two mega challenges, the voting remained the same -- so there should have been some winners.

Ok I reworded it, being as specific to this contest as possible, THIS was the response: "These are results for in a contest with entries, with voting subtracting points from one player when the other received an upvote, and more folks voting additional times than the number who entered is it possible to achieve a perfect score
Search instead for in a contest with entries, with voting subtracting points from one player when the other recieves an upvote, and more folks voting additional times than the number who entered is it possible to acheive a perfect score

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It's theoretically possible, but highly improbable, to achieve a perfect score in a contest where votes subtract points from opponents and more people vote than there are entries, particularly if "perfect score" means a score where your points cannot be surpassed by any other contestant.
Here's a breakdown of why:
Challenges to Achieving a Perfect Score:
Point Subtraction: Every upvote someone else receives potentially subtracts points from you, making it difficult to maintain a lead, especially with more voters than entries.
Multiple Votes: If people can vote multiple times, the impact of a small group or even a single motivated individual could be amplified, leading to significant swings in points and making consistent high scores difficult to maintain.
Strategic Voting: Voters might engage in strategic voting, attempting to manipulate the results by downvoting high-scoring entries rather than simply voting for their favorites, impacting your potential score even if you're popular.
Unpredictability: With more votes than entries, and the potential for multiple votes per person, the overall voting behavior can become highly unpredictable, impacting the ability of any individual to dominate.
Scenarios Where a "Perfect" Score Might Be Possible:
Complete Dominance: If your entry is overwhelmingly popular with a significant number of voters and you are the only one receiving consistent upvotes, you might build a lead that others cannot overcome, despite negative votes from other entries.
Strategic Voting Backfire: It is possible that strategic voting backfires. If everyone tries to take down the leader, their points get distributed across others, potentially leaving the leader with a still substantial lead.
Early Lead and Sustained Popularity: If you gain a very large lead early in the competition and maintain a strong base of positive votes, the point subtraction effect might not be able to overcome your existing score. So wording it different did change the response but not by much. HIGHLY IMPROBABLE is basically the same as the first question posed. I mean seriously, we are all familiar with the phrase "when pigs fly". That statement indicates impossibility, if you ask AI, the answer is no. Now if you play with the question posed, you CAN achieve a different answer that isn't no, but is IMPROBABLE. (I actually asked AI both ways) The realistic answer is no, however a genetically modified pig was born with wings so while not a 1000% no answer, the answer is well...maybe they could be made to fly. So maybe I should conclude that someone COULD achieve a 5.8 perfect score....when pigs fly...