Cheryl (7795024) wrote:We need the actual worth of an item, not a guess, not what it selling for in events & not an average as I rely on the info out there just to make a few coins!

Worth what is worth ... how much the market is willing to pay. There is not a "defined" worth. And people have to understand those who do Price Guides, they volunteer to do these. As I said in an earlier post it's obvious to me that the Price Guides do set a price themselves because there is no way to know what items are going for in the aftermarket right after the theme closes.

And some of those average prices in AH there is something fishy going on with them. If you are a serious buyer or seller you get to know the market yourself. If you are just selling a few items now and then well you have to do the best you can and understand that Price Guides aren't a Bible.

This is how I see it... As has already been said, there is no absolute price that is determined by any of the guides. They are tools to use that give a little piece of the larger puzzle. It's up to you to take all the pieces of the puzzle given to you by the; different guides, auction house, trading section of the forum, & live auctions/events and put them all together to make your best judgement call of what you ultimately think your item is worth or will be worth in the future. Still even then it's a crapshoot... you win some, you lose some but hopefully if you put enough time to take in as much info as possible you will end up winning more than you lose. Again tho.. your success in this area is more dependent on how much effort YOU put into it.. not what one guide or the other suggests.

Honestly for the most part I make up my own prices, and usually they are a bit less than the price guides are asking. I don't stress it. If anything becomes too hard to sell, I evolve to what people are willing to pay during my encounters. I really don't sit there with a calculator and a price guide and play the picky game. Aint nobody got time fo dat. Do I get taken advantage of? of course. Do I really care? No.

Cheryl (7795024) wrote:Taken from the game?? I just lost out again according to YoPriceville & the price "taken from the game" ! So the game sets a price too? Wow, this is too much just to sell a few items. We need the actual worth of an item, not a guess, not what it selling for in events & not an average as I rely on the info out there just to make a few coins!

average works like this
joe paid 100 coins
fred paid 500 coins
max paid 200 coins
total 800 coins divided by the 3 people who bought = 266 coins
the average is 266 its taken from the game its not being set by the game, players change the average everytime they buy from AH, Fred there who paid 500 coins bumped the average UP and that happens all the time with some items people pay way over because they want that item and I mean really want it .. so, what it sells for IS the items worth

Get rid of them all, and have a yoworld one thats fair to everyone....

I lost faith in yorehab and priceville when I saw an agent of one of the above buying in bulk because they were putting prices up.... Also they both claim that players control the prices.. Players that are rich and have millions n millions control the prices... I work full time so some of us dont have the luxury of sitting on our ass 24/7 earning coins

Also stop this talk about yoeconomys.. its a game.....

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Get rid of them all, and have a yoworld one thats fair to everyone....

And who is supposed to run this? BVG? That's not what they are interested in nor should they. Their putting up average price of the sell of an item in AH is as far as I see them ever going.

I think there are many people who don't understand the complexity of pricing tens of thousands of items. And they also don't seem to understand that the Price Guides are only guides done by people like you and me.

I've lost so much because of priceguides, I thought i could trust them and turns out items sell for much more than what they say.\

Noone asked them to price the items, they are cartoon items, people should pay more attention to the real economy rather than a pretend virtual one... If i want to pay 5m for blue retros then i should be able to, people dont use them as a guide, they use them to put a price tag on there items...

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:And who is supposed to run this? BVG? That's not what they are interested in nor should they. Their putting up average price of the sell of an item in AH is as far as I see them ever going.

I think there are many people who don't understand the complexity of pricing tens of thousands of items. And they also don't seem to understand that the Price Guides are only guides done by people like you and me.

Nonsense! The Price guide compilers are just shirking their duty of perfection! I mean after all, how hard can it be to manage thousands of fluctuating prices daily? Of course they dont have lives, families or anything. And I bet they get paid loads just to do this for us! Oh wait... nevermind! I agree with you!!
Guides have been vilified from the beginning. I remember when Shan's guide would cause no end of drama on the old forum when it was updated and it was just a text based list.... Without the guides, there would be no comprehensive list of items, no easy way to search for something to get an idea of what it looks like, no way to remember if something was yc or coins. Use the guides but dont let them become the end all of how you buy and sell.... they are great research tools if you use them right. If someone you are trading with insists on using guides, just tell them Good day Sir!

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Get rid of them all, and have a yoworld one thats fair to everyone....

I lost faith in yorehab and priceville when I saw an agent of one of the above buying in bulk because they were putting prices up.... Also they both claim that players control the prices.. Players that are rich and have millions n millions control the prices... I work full time so some of us dont have the luxury of sitting on our ass 24/7 earning coins

Also stop this talk about yoeconomys.. its a game.....

It's a game so why worry about it ... and you or anyone else isn't forced to use Price Guides. I do agree that they can be abused by those who make them.

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Noone asked them to price the items, they are cartoon items, people should pay more attention to the real economy rather than a pretend virtual one... If i want to pay 5m for blue retros then i should be able to, people dont use them as a guide, they use them to put a price tag on there items...

Again you don't have to use their prices nor does anyone else. And if you can find someone to sell 5m for blue retros to you then you are able to buy them for 5m. But you can't say I want to buy them for 5m and people have to sell them to me for that price, sorry but that isn't the way the real economy works or the pretend yoville economy.

Ralph (9314969) wrote:I've lost so much because of priceguides, I thought i could trust them and turns out items sell for much more than what they say.\

You have been around long enough you should know that price guides are JUST a guide.

No im not forced to use priceguides your correct, i always sell cheap... but im forced to pay the prices they put up...

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:No im not forced to use priceguides your correct, i always sell cheap... but im forced to pay the prices they put up...

No you aren't, there are people who sell who sell cheaper than price guide and no one is forcing you to buy anything, especially anything on the after market, buy things in store if you don't want to buy from others.

Mele please... Its not a guide! Its a price list...

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Mele please... Its not a guide! Its a price list...

They are guides, the store has price lists, refer to my last post before this, maybe you didn't see it.

Store price list states 25k for pink retros..... The point im trying to get at is if i owned BVG i wouldnt like outsiders deciding on the prices of items i originally released.... if there was no pricelist id be buying pink retros for what they originally came out for.... Priceguides were used to buy bulk from agents and friends, sell for a huge profit then sell on the coins via paypal.... I spoke to someone in auction today, gutted they lost 50m because they bought white jeans then they got re-released... Why he lose out? because he had no choice to pay it because it stated the price on the site... We'd be having a different chat if u had bought menorah for 100m and it got re-released...

Theres people now trying to buy blue retros for 7.5, why cant they buy them cheap? Because priceguides say you cant!

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Store price list states 25k for pink retros..... The point im trying to get at is if i owned BVG i wouldnt like outsiders deciding on the prices of items i originally released.... if there was no pricelist id be buying pink retros for what they originally came out for.... Priceguides were used to buy bulk from agents and friends, sell for a huge profit then sell on the coins via paypal.... I spoke to someone in auction today, gutted they lost 50m because they bought white jeans then they got re-released... Why he lose out? because he had no choice to pay it because it stated the price on the site... We'd be having a different chat if u had bought menorah for 100m and it got re-released...

He had the choice of not paying that price and buying something else. If there was no pricelist, you still wouldnt get retros for 25k. You would get them for whatever the seller decided he wanted to sell them for. There is nothing in the game that people absolutely need and no one is breaking anyones arm to pay a price. Free will. You have it. Use it and dont give in. Find someone who will sell you things for the same price they bought them.... If you find one,treat them extremely well!

II Beefcake II (175569126) wrote:Store price list states 25k for pink retros..... The point im trying to get at is if i owned BVG i wouldnt like outsiders deciding on the prices of items i originally released.... if there was no pricelist id be buying pink retros for what they originally came out for.... Priceguides were used to buy bulk from agents and friends, sell for a huge profit then sell on the coins via paypal.... I spoke to someone in auction today, gutted they lost 50m because they bought white jeans then they got re-released... Why he lose out? because he had no choice to pay it because it stated the price on the site... We'd be having a different chat if u had bought menorah for 100m and it got re-released...

Theres people now trying to buy blue retros for 7.5, why cant they buy them cheap? Because priceguides say you cant!

First store price was 20K for pink retros, second they aren't in store anymore, third even if there were no price guides you would be paying more than 20K for them, only makes sense because they aren't in store anymore. So I just have to lol at you for saying if there weren't price guides you would pay the original price of them.

Yes price guides have been abused by some that have them and also by others. And believe me I lost money from things being rereleased, so don't think I haven't. And it's not price guides fault that I lost money. He lost money because he put money in something that was never promised not to be released that's not price guides fault. No one forced him to buy it, he chose to buy it.

Cheryl (7795024) wrote:Taken from the game?? I just lost out again according to YoPriceville & the price "taken from the game" ! So the game sets a price too? Wow, this is too much just to sell a few items. We need the actual worth of an item, not a guess, not what it selling for in events & not an average as I rely on the info out there just to make a few coins!

There is no such thing in life as an 'actual worth'. An item is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

If you decide to buy, say, a second-hand car. You could go to three car lots and see an identical make of vehicle at three different prices.

In retail, manufacturers put RRPs (Recommended Retail Prices) on items, but the retail stores will cut their prices to take trade from rival businesses.

Granted, rare items do go up in value. Take a rare vase. Show it to two separate antiques experts and they could put different values on it.

In an ideal world, yes, there would be a worth set in stone, but until then...