Taurus (185839344) wrote:if more people would just give the self isolating and social distancing a chance, this would be over far sooner. masks are important and i will continue to wear one but i feel a mask is not as important as gloves, sanitizing, and social distancing and self isolating but many refuse to do any of those things.

Kio (185180932) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:Someone in my family caught covid from their job in the medical field after at first getting a false negative when testing. They then had to go in to strict quarantine and came out testing negative afterwards and was able to return to their job. I was already a germaphobe before this pandemic. So when people cough all over everything I run the other direction even before this pandemic. I wash my hands before and after touching anything and try not to come in to contact as it is with door knobs, people, etc. I was social distancing before this pandemic too. Wearing a mask and gloves gives me a small sense of added protection and is not something I'm ashamed of. I enjoy wearing a ninja mask in public. If and when this calms down, I may continue to wear a ninja mask and gloves in public, because I already have/had zero trust in people and their sanitation practices even way before this pandemic took place globally. If people don't wear a mask and gloves that's their choice but I will run from their snot-nosed screaming children in public and expect at-risk individuals to stay at least 6 ft away from me. To me it is only about caution and something I don't want to risk on top of the other risks in every day life. If people are out and about I only hope they are mindful of not to spread anything.

I have mental problems, bipolar, so I have been sheltering in place before it was popular and since it is no longer asked for in WA. I am also an OCD germaphobe. I also hate crowds being on the spectrum. But I want and need to get out as part of my mental health treatment program--even if it is just to go to my gynecologist or what not. I hated this free mask that my hubby and I both got one. I told my hubby it felt like baggy T-shirt material for the face. I just got 3 absolutely gorgeous fabrics, well-made, pleated and nose wired masks from Etsy sellers. I can't wait to wear them. Really. They are beautiful. So all the selfish people who can't be bothered to protect others and send the message of protecting others can bite me (and I am not talking about anyone with a real condition that prevents them wearing one). And, to the point about life being all about risk--well, that doesn't mean you have the right to (especially unnecessarily) risk the lives of others or be part of driving up infection rates so high that the health care system is prevented in saving the lives that they could or treating any other serious conditions. Your risk ends with others wanting to live. That is why there are drunk driving laws (I wonder if the selfish "I don't need or want to wear a mask" are also the same as the drunk drivers...)

And for those here minimizing the reality and threat of a world-wide pandemic where 165K have officially died since February (the actually death count is thought to be several thousands more due to various factors), you can bite me also but I likely have you blocked anyway.

https://ncov2019.live/

Exposure in utilizing cognitive behavioral therapy is helpful concerning mental health. I am just an introvert but I've always worked which puts me in the public (essential). So I don't have an opportunity to avoid public unless I'm off work. Any microscopic threat doesn't sit well with me or my anxiety so by nature I'm skeptical. I feel like your comment was aimed at others which I won't pass judgement on because at the end of the day I just hope people aren't affected. This whole thing has really took a dump on 2020 and I think at the end of the day too people will do whatever they want and is nobody else's business. It is what it is...I just hope things can bounce back at some point. T'sall

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Taurus (185839344) wrote:if more people would just give the self isolating and social distancing a chance, this would be over far sooner. masks are important and i will continue to wear one but i feel a mask is not as important as gloves, sanitizing, and social distancing and self isolating but many refuse to do any of those things.

The law now in WA is you must wear a mask whenever you are in public and cannot properly socially distance (as in enclosed or crowded spaces) since the mask is there not to protect the wearer but to protect others from the Covid released in coughing, sneezing, talking loudly or even heavy mouth breathing/exhaling etc.). Businesses that are open are now required to demand that all who can wear masks wear them in order for service.

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:Someone in my family caught covid from their job in the medical field after at first getting a false negative when testing. They then had to go in to strict quarantine and came out testing negative afterwards and was able to return to their job. I was already a germaphobe before this pandemic. So when people cough all over everything I run the other direction even before this pandemic. I wash my hands before and after touching anything and try not to come in to contact as it is with door knobs, people, etc. I was social distancing before this pandemic too. Wearing a mask and gloves gives me a small sense of added protection and is not something I'm ashamed of. I enjoy wearing a ninja mask in public. If and when this calms down, I may continue to wear a ninja mask and gloves in public, because I already have/had zero trust in people and their sanitation practices even way before this pandemic took place globally. If people don't wear a mask and gloves that's their choice but I will run from their snot-nosed screaming children in public and expect at-risk individuals to stay at least 6 ft away from me. To me it is only about caution and something I don't want to risk on top of the other risks in every day life. If people are out and about I only hope they are mindful of not to spread anything.

I have mental problems, bipolar, so I have been sheltering in place before it was popular and since it is no longer asked for in WA. I am also an OCD germaphobe. I also hate crowds being on the spectrum. But I want and need to get out as part of my mental health treatment program--even if it is just to go to my gynecologist or what not. I hated this free mask that my hubby and I both got one. I told my hubby it felt like baggy T-shirt material for the face. I just got 3 absolutely gorgeous fabrics, well-made, pleated and nose wired masks from Etsy sellers. I can't wait to wear them. Really. They are beautiful. So all the selfish people who can't be bothered to protect others and send the message of protecting others can bite me (and I am not talking about anyone with a real condition that prevents them wearing one). And, to the point about life being all about risk--well, that doesn't mean you have the right to (especially unnecessarily) risk the lives of others or be part of driving up infection rates so high that the health care system is prevented in saving the lives that they could or treating any other serious conditions. Your risk ends with others wanting to live. That is why there are drunk driving laws (I wonder if the selfish "I don't need or want to wear a mask" are also the same as the drunk drivers...)

And for those here minimizing the reality and threat of a world-wide pandemic where 165K have officially died since February (the actually death count is thought to be several thousands more due to various factors), you can bite me also but I likely have you blocked anyway.

https://ncov2019.live/

Exposure in utilizing cognitive behavioral therapy is helpful concerning mental health. I am just an introvert but I've always worked which puts me in the public (essential). So I don't have an opportunity to avoid public unless I'm off work. Any microscopic threat doesn't sit well with me or my anxiety so by nature I'm skeptical. I feel like your comment was aimed at others which I won't pass judgement on because at the end of the day I just hope people aren't affected. This whole thing has really took a dump on 2020 and I think at the end of the day too people will do whatever they want and is nobody else's business. It is what it is...I just hope things can bounce back at some point. T'sall

Most of my post was aimed at others while replying to yours I do get judgmental now because I believe ignorance = death and there is no reason for most people to be ignorant as there is so much factual information out there. It is willful, selfish and or ideology-driven ignorance IMO and most of it is being spread via social media/tv/radio etc where if one has access to the internet or tv/radio then one can just as easily get actual facts.

Taurus (185839344) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Taurus (185839344) wrote:if more people would just give the self isolating and social distancing a chance, this would be over far sooner. masks are important and i will continue to wear one but i feel a mask is not as important as gloves, sanitizing, and social distancing and self isolating but many refuse to do any of those things.

The law now in WA is you must wear a mask whenever you are in public and cannot properly socially distance (as in enclosed or crowded spaces) since the mask is there not to protect the wearer but to protect others from the Covid released in coughing, sneezing, talking loudly or even heavy mouth breathing/exhaling etc.). Businesses that are open are now required to demand that all who can wear masks wear them in order for service.

the only store here that is enforcing it that i am aware of is costco, others are only asking the questions about fever and asking for social distancing.at least 1 store is making you put hand sanitizer on before letting you into the store... i would love to see more stores follow costcos lead. i mean i get it, i dont like when people tell me what to do either , i mean heck, i am a taurus after all, as bullheaded and stubborn as they come but this is a totally different situation, ....maybe the govt has no right to ask or make us to wear a mask but at the same time, we also have no right to put other peoples health at risk during this pandemic, this is a temporary hassle for us but a persons death is forever..

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Taurus (185839344) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Taurus (185839344) wrote:if more people would just give the self isolating and social distancing a chance, this would be over far sooner. masks are important and i will continue to wear one but i feel a mask is not as important as gloves, sanitizing, and social distancing and self isolating but many refuse to do any of those things.

The law now in WA is you must wear a mask whenever you are in public and cannot properly socially distance (as in enclosed or crowded spaces) since the mask is there not to protect the wearer but to protect others from the Covid released in coughing, sneezing, talking loudly or even heavy mouth breathing/exhaling etc.). Businesses that are open are now required to demand that all who can wear masks wear them in order for service.

the only store here that is enforcing it that i am aware of is costco, others are only asking the questions about fever and asking for social distancing.at least 1 store is making you put hand sanitizer on before letting you into the store... i would love to see more stores follow costcos lead. i mean i get it, i dont like when people tell me what to do either , i mean heck, i am a taurus after all, as bullheaded and stubborn as they come but this is a totally different situation, ....maybe the govt has no right to ask or make us to wear a mask but at the same time, we also have no right to put other peoples health at risk during this pandemic, this is a temporary hassle for us but a persons death is forever..

Not that I believe astrology necessarily but I am a Cappie with a grand Earth trine (meaning significant planets in a trine aspect in all Earth signs). I am a goat-headed and butting control freak much of the time! The government, local, state and federal can restrict constitutional rights if the concern is over-riding public safety or instances of violence to others. There are different examples and exceptions including recreational drug use vs sacramental drug use, religion that calls for animal sacrifice and whether one religion is unfairly being singled out per a controversial practice, an actual need for martial law, privacy concerns vs terrorism, banning polygamy and things like FGM...public safety measures during a pandemic definitely fall under that and were also done during the Swine Flu pandemic. Be glad we are not in the Gulf nation (I thought I heard Qatar while half-listening to the news) where not wearing a mask results in 3 years in prison.

Quarantined Mata (13429328) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:Someone in my family caught covid from their job in the medical field after at first getting a false negative when testing. They then had to go in to strict quarantine and came out testing negative afterwards and was able to return to their job. I was already a germaphobe before this pandemic. So when people cough all over everything I run the other direction even before this pandemic. I wash my hands before and after touching anything and try not to come in to contact as it is with door knobs, people, etc. I was social distancing before this pandemic too. Wearing a mask and gloves gives me a small sense of added protection and is not something I'm ashamed of. I enjoy wearing a ninja mask in public. If and when this calms down, I may continue to wear a ninja mask and gloves in public, because I already have/had zero trust in people and their sanitation practices even way before this pandemic took place globally. If people don't wear a mask and gloves that's their choice but I will run from their snot-nosed screaming children in public and expect at-risk individuals to stay at least 6 ft away from me. To me it is only about caution and something I don't want to risk on top of the other risks in every day life. If people are out and about I only hope they are mindful of not to spread anything.

I have mental problems, bipolar, so I have been sheltering in place before it was popular and since it is no longer asked for in WA. I am also an OCD germaphobe. I also hate crowds being on the spectrum. But I want and need to get out as part of my mental health treatment program--even if it is just to go to my gynecologist or what not. I hated this free mask that my hubby and I both got one. I told my hubby it felt like baggy T-shirt material for the face. I just got 3 absolutely gorgeous fabrics, well-made, pleated and nose wired masks from Etsy sellers. I can't wait to wear them. Really. They are beautiful. So all the selfish people who can't be bothered to protect others and send the message of protecting others can bite me (and I am not talking about anyone with a real condition that prevents them wearing one). And, to the point about life being all about risk--well, that doesn't mean you have the right to (especially unnecessarily) risk the lives of others or be part of driving up infection rates so high that the health care system is prevented in saving the lives that they could or treating any other serious conditions. Your risk ends with others wanting to live. That is why there are drunk driving laws (I wonder if the selfish "I don't need or want to wear a mask" are also the same as the drunk drivers...)

And for those here minimizing the reality and threat of a world-wide pandemic where 165K have officially died since February (the actually death count is thought to be several thousands more due to various factors), you can bite me also but I likely have you blocked anyway.

https://ncov2019.live/

Exposure in utilizing cognitive behavioral therapy is helpful concerning mental health. I am just an introvert but I've always worked which puts me in the public (essential). So I don't have an opportunity to avoid public unless I'm off work. Any microscopic threat doesn't sit well with me or my anxiety so by nature I'm skeptical. I feel like your comment was aimed at others which I won't pass judgement on because at the end of the day I just hope people aren't affected. This whole thing has really took a dump on 2020 and I think at the end of the day too people will do whatever they want and is nobody else's business. It is what it is...I just hope things can bounce back at some point. T'sall

Most of my post was aimed at others while replying to yours I do get judgmental now because I believe ignorance = death and there is no reason for most people to be ignorant as there is so much factual information out there. It is willful, selfish and or ideology-driven ignorance IMO and most of it is being spread via social media/tv/radio etc where if one has access to the internet or tv/radio then one can just as easily get actual facts.

That. My FIL was a doctor. He died in June of COVID-19 after watching tens and tens of patients every day since March. He wore a mask and gloves and a special suit and still got it because people are irresponsible. I don't buy the asthma things for masks. My sister has asthma and cancer. She wears a mask. My niece is 3 and she wears a mask even though she doesn't like it.
Adults throwing tantrums about masks are idiots. And for all of you that feel offended, don't tell me you're not, you're not gonna change my mind.
If you get panic attacks wearing a mask, seek professional help. I'm tired of hearing irresponsable people saying "if I wear a mask..." because it's you who is spreading the f¨¨ïng virus.

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:

Willow (13350872) wrote:I'm from around Holmes County ohio..which a large part of that community is the Amish and in Holmes County we have 327 confirmed cases with 6 deaths..Amish travel all the time and they have huge weddings and funerals but you know what they don't have? T.v's and that is why Covid is not affecting them and the only time you might see them with a mask on is in doctors offices or Walmart.

I think that's a really good point. I think it's more the way they interact with each other though. We used to live out right next to them. They don't really touch each other. Even the family members didn't seem to be too close, unless it was a child that needed held. For a stranger the closest they came to touching was to give change or a hand shake for a deal type thing and only from the men.

Also since they live on farms, there is plenty of open space in between dwellings. I think places with the large populations are getting hit so badly because they are living on top of each other. Hard to keep 6 ft from each other in places like that.

Not knocking on southern peeps either, because they are some of my favorite peeps, but I notice my southern friends are all touchy feely too. They always have to hug, be close to, put an arm around, etc others. Took me awhile to get used to considering the people I was raised around, and it is nice. I really like being around people not afraid to show affection. Down side is it has been really difficult for them to social distance these past several months. My point though, is non Amish are used to always touching others. Meeting people it is normal to shake a hand, even when a doctor walks into a room, that is first thing they do. So, Amish are masters of the social distancing normally LOL!

About small cities and farms: also getting hit badly especially due to agricultural and meat packing industries or being areas where prisons are located (and those that work in those areas and catch it while at work bring it back further into their communities). The most recent increase in WA cases has been due to agricultural, far from being urban, areas.

Most definitely! We don't have any factories like that around here. None where people are crammed in small places any ways. I heard about all the outbreaks at those meat packing places

Farmworkers, the people who have to pick our food are so very much at risk and are often feeling forced to earn enough to take care of their families or risk covid. Covid spread is also becoming very much an indicator in the US of racial injustice and social/economic inequality.

Willow (13350872) wrote:I don't complain about anyone not wearing a mask..because until all mask wearers wear a suit of armor/goggles or whatnot..that mask only helps maybe a little. They are not full proof and that word selfish goes both ways

Quarantined Mata (13429328) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:

Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:

Kio (185180932) wrote:Someone in my family caught covid from their job in the medical field after at first getting a false negative when testing. They then had to go in to strict quarantine and came out testing negative afterwards and was able to return to their job. I was already a germaphobe before this pandemic. So when people cough all over everything I run the other direction even before this pandemic. I wash my hands before and after touching anything and try not to come in to contact as it is with door knobs, people, etc. I was social distancing before this pandemic too. Wearing a mask and gloves gives me a small sense of added protection and is not something I'm ashamed of. I enjoy wearing a ninja mask in public. If and when this calms down, I may continue to wear a ninja mask and gloves in public, because I already have/had zero trust in people and their sanitation practices even way before this pandemic took place globally. If people don't wear a mask and gloves that's their choice but I will run from their snot-nosed screaming children in public and expect at-risk individuals to stay at least 6 ft away from me. To me it is only about caution and something I don't want to risk on top of the other risks in every day life. If people are out and about I only hope they are mindful of not to spread anything.

I have mental problems, bipolar, so I have been sheltering in place before it was popular and since it is no longer asked for in WA. I am also an OCD germaphobe. I also hate crowds being on the spectrum. But I want and need to get out as part of my mental health treatment program--even if it is just to go to my gynecologist or what not. I hated this free mask that my hubby and I both got one. I told my hubby it felt like baggy T-shirt material for the face. I just got 3 absolutely gorgeous fabrics, well-made, pleated and nose wired masks from Etsy sellers. I can't wait to wear them. Really. They are beautiful. So all the selfish people who can't be bothered to protect others and send the message of protecting others can bite me (and I am not talking about anyone with a real condition that prevents them wearing one). And, to the point about life being all about risk--well, that doesn't mean you have the right to (especially unnecessarily) risk the lives of others or be part of driving up infection rates so high that the health care system is prevented in saving the lives that they could or treating any other serious conditions. Your risk ends with others wanting to live. That is why there are drunk driving laws (I wonder if the selfish "I don't need or want to wear a mask" are also the same as the drunk drivers...)

And for those here minimizing the reality and threat of a world-wide pandemic where 165K have officially died since February (the actually death count is thought to be several thousands more due to various factors), you can bite me also but I likely have you blocked anyway.

https://ncov2019.live/

Exposure in utilizing cognitive behavioral therapy is helpful concerning mental health. I am just an introvert but I've always worked which puts me in the public (essential). So I don't have an opportunity to avoid public unless I'm off work. Any microscopic threat doesn't sit well with me or my anxiety so by nature I'm skeptical. I feel like your comment was aimed at others which I won't pass judgement on because at the end of the day I just hope people aren't affected. This whole thing has really took a dump on 2020 and I think at the end of the day too people will do whatever they want and is nobody else's business. It is what it is...I just hope things can bounce back at some point. T'sall

Most of my post was aimed at others while replying to yours I do get judgmental now because I believe ignorance = death and there is no reason for most people to be ignorant as there is so much factual information out there. It is willful, selfish and or ideology-driven ignorance IMO and most of it is being spread via social media/tv/radio etc where if one has access to the internet or tv/radio then one can just as easily get actual facts.

That. My FIL was a doctor. He died in June of COVID-19 after watching tens and tens of patients every day since March. He wore a mask and gloves and a special suit and still got it because people are irresponsible. I don't buy the asthma things for masks. My sister has asthma and cancer. She wears a mask. My niece is 3 and she wears a mask even though she doesn't like it.
Adults throwing tantrums about masks are idiots. And for all of you that feel offended, don't tell me you're not, you're not gonna change my mind.
If you get panic attacks wearing a mask, seek professional help. I'm tired of hearing irresponsable people saying "if I wear a mask..." because it's you who is spreading the f¨¨ïng virus.

Richford (3429282) wrote:

Willow (13350872) wrote:I don't complain about anyone not wearing a mask..because until all mask wearers wear a suit of armor/goggles or whatnot..that mask only helps maybe a little. They are not full proof and that word selfish goes both ways

Masks aren’t fool-proof, you’re right. But they do a pretty good job at reducing transmission of the virus, backed up by many studies. We don’t need to wear a full suit because the virus is spread through respiratory droplets ...you can’t get infected through eating, through physical contact with others or any objects, and there’s a low chance of catching it if it goes near your eyes. So goggles, maybe, which is why you see some people with the face safety shields. If you’re worried about that, the best thing to do would be to wash your hands before and after coming into contact with anything. But I’m betting even if we needed to wear full suits, those refusing to wear a mask would be the same ones refusing to wear the suit.

Doodler (10729465) wrote:Just out of curiosity, did your father in law get the flu shots? Since he was a doctor, he probably did. So sorry for your loss.

Ruin (126579776) wrote:Making people care about something that they perceive doesn't pertain to them is the problem. The inconvenience and discomfort of something that they feel isn't directly for their benefit bothers them.

We are dealing with pride, apathy, ego, odds, politics, and narcissism simultaneously. The science is there to support wearing them, but that doesn't matter when the odds of them personally dying are so very low. And since wearing one in all probability means doing so for someone else, "the hell with that" becomes the motto du jour. When that gets layered with the stupid politics that have become attached to this thing, you get people losing their sh*t at employees making $12 an hour who are just trying to survive this thing without it killing them or their family.

The government isn't trying to control anyone. You aren't for or against some stupid political party if you do or don't wear one. They aren't a signal of a docile sheep being led to slaughter. They are a simple thing that is easily managed to prevent a few extra deaths. I can wear one to keep someone else alive or from getting super sick - even in this 102 degree Texas heat. But obviously a few people can't be told anything and they certainly won't read or educate themselves about why it matters. So here we are........

It reminds me of the team science project where 2 nerds do all the work, 4 people try to make it look like they are helping, and 2 dingles don't do anything. LOL

Willow (13350872) wrote:

Richford (3429282) wrote:

Willow (13350872) wrote:I don't complain about anyone not wearing a mask..because until all mask wearers wear a suit of armor/goggles or whatnot..that mask only helps maybe a little. They are not full proof and that word selfish goes both ways

Masks aren’t fool-proof, you’re right. But they do a pretty good job at reducing transmission of the virus, backed up by many studies. We don’t need to wear a full suit because the virus is spread through respiratory droplets ...you can’t get infected through eating, through physical contact with others or any objects, and there’s a low chance of catching it if it goes near your eyes. So goggles, maybe, which is why you see some people with the face safety shields. If you’re worried about that, the best thing to do would be to wash your hands before and after coming into contact with anything. But I’m betting even if we needed to wear full suits, those refusing to wear a mask would be the same ones refusing to wear the suit.

Rich the point is that even people who wear masks can still spread the virus. Do you realize how many people that wear masks touch and adjust their masks..some touching their faces while doing it? I see it all the time and then they touch other things and so on..that's all I'm saying till I get home because I suck at typing on my phone.

Richford (3429282) wrote:

Willow (13350872) wrote:

Richford (3429282) wrote:

Willow (13350872) wrote:I don't complain about anyone not wearing a mask..because until all mask wearers wear a suit of armor/goggles or whatnot..that mask only helps maybe a little. They are not full proof and that word selfish goes both ways

Masks aren’t fool-proof, you’re right. But they do a pretty good job at reducing transmission of the virus, backed up by many studies. We don’t need to wear a full suit because the virus is spread through respiratory droplets ...you can’t get infected through eating, through physical contact with others or any objects, and there’s a low chance of catching it if it goes near your eyes. So goggles, maybe, which is why you see some people with the face safety shields. If you’re worried about that, the best thing to do would be to wash your hands before and after coming into contact with anything. But I’m betting even if we needed to wear full suits, those refusing to wear a mask would be the same ones refusing to wear the suit.

Rich the point is that even people who wear masks can still spread the virus. Do you realize how many people that wear masks touch and adjust their masks..some touching their faces while doing it? I see it all the time and then they touch other things and so on..that's all I'm saying till I get home because I suck at typing on my phone.

I know that people that wear masks can still spread the virus, that's what I said. My point is that masks greatly reduce the risk of transmitting the virus if worn properly. The people touching their faces ...they're not doing it right. People need to wear masks, need to educate themselves on the virus and how to properly protect themselves and others (if not themselves, then at the very least, everyone else), and they need to stop feeling so entitled and above wearing a mask. I'm not talking about those with a valid, medical excuse, but those who willingly choose not to wear one. We're not asking for an arm or a leg and it's not a deprivation of rights.

Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:

Ruin (126579776) wrote:Making people care about something that they perceive doesn't pertain to them is the problem. The inconvenience and discomfort of something that they feel isn't directly for their benefit bothers them.

We are dealing with pride, apathy, ego, odds, politics, and narcissism simultaneously. The science is there to support wearing them, but that doesn't matter when the odds of them personally dying are so very low. And since wearing one in all probability means doing so for someone else, "the hell with that" becomes the motto du jour. When that gets layered with the stupid politics that have become attached to this thing, you get people losing their sh*t at employees making $12 an hour who are just trying to survive this thing without it killing them or their family.

The government isn't trying to control anyone. You aren't for or against some stupid political party if you do or don't wear one. They aren't a signal of a docile sheep being led to slaughter. They are a simple thing that is easily managed to prevent a few extra deaths. I can wear one to keep someone else alive or from getting super sick - even in this 102 degree Texas heat. But obviously a few people can't be told anything and they certainly won't read or educate themselves about why it matters. So here we are........

It reminds me of the team science project where 2 nerds do all the work, 4 people try to make it look like they are helping, and 2 dingles don't do anything. LOL

Well said, I am still stuck on the 12/hr though, damn it's 9 here. The poor workers, they have had to work through all this. Some of the stores and restaurants here have had outbreaks, so some got sick. They are being worked extra hours with no overtime or hazard pay and then to top it all off they have to deal with assholes yelling at them and threatening them.... they are just trying to get their crappy minimum wage check, so they can live. They don't qualify for the extra 600/wk that those on unemployment do. Most don't have access to healthcare. I feel so bad for all the "essential" type workers, but especially so, for the minimum wage ones. They are getting the shaft end of everything!

Plague (126579776) wrote:

Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:

Ruin (126579776) wrote:Making people care about something that they perceive doesn't pertain to them is the problem. The inconvenience and discomfort of something that they feel isn't directly for their benefit bothers them.

We are dealing with pride, apathy, ego, odds, politics, and narcissism simultaneously. The science is there to support wearing them, but that doesn't matter when the odds of them personally dying are so very low. And since wearing one in all probability means doing so for someone else, "the hell with that" becomes the motto du jour. When that gets layered with the stupid politics that have become attached to this thing, you get people losing their sh*t at employees making $12 an hour who are just trying to survive this thing without it killing them or their family.

The government isn't trying to control anyone. You aren't for or against some stupid political party if you do or don't wear one. They aren't a signal of a docile sheep being led to slaughter. They are a simple thing that is easily managed to prevent a few extra deaths. I can wear one to keep someone else alive or from getting super sick - even in this 102 degree Texas heat. But obviously a few people can't be told anything and they certainly won't read or educate themselves about why it matters. So here we are........

It reminds me of the team science project where 2 nerds do all the work, 4 people try to make it look like they are helping, and 2 dingles don't do anything. LOL

Well said, I am still stuck on the 12/hr though, damn it's 9 here. The poor workers, they have had to work through all this. Some of the stores and restaurants here have had outbreaks, so some got sick. They are being worked extra hours with no overtime or hazard pay and then to top it all off they have to deal with assholes yelling at them and threatening them.... they are just trying to get their crappy minimum wage check, so they can live. They don't qualify for the extra 600/wk that those on unemployment do. Most don't have access to healthcare. I feel so bad for all the "essential" type workers, but especially so, for the minimum wage ones. They are getting the shaft end of everything!

There is a flip side to this coin. I also know a couple of businesses that got popped hard in the beginning - and now their staffs have herd immunity. There is a bright side to allowing it to spread, whether the people who fear it want to accept that truth or not. Yes it will cost lives. But in the end there will be a group of people who have had it and have moved on. They are "free".

I think this reopening the schools will give it one more big push, and then we will finally see this beast start to dwindle. The US sits at 5M confirmed. Conservative estimates (anti body tests) put that reality at 50-100M infected. As many as 1/3rd of Americans may have already had this thing. Herd immunity starts digging in around 50-60% according to the science. We'll see.

Plague (126579776) wrote:

Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:

Ruin (126579776) wrote:Making people care about something that they perceive doesn't pertain to them is the problem. The inconvenience and discomfort of something that they feel isn't directly for their benefit bothers them.

We are dealing with pride, apathy, ego, odds, politics, and narcissism simultaneously. The science is there to support wearing them, but that doesn't matter when the odds of them personally dying are so very low. And since wearing one in all probability means doing so for someone else, "the hell with that" becomes the motto du jour. When that gets layered with the stupid politics that have become attached to this thing, you get people losing their sh*t at employees making $12 an hour who are just trying to survive this thing without it killing them or their family.

The government isn't trying to control anyone. You aren't for or against some stupid political party if you do or don't wear one. They aren't a signal of a docile sheep being led to slaughter. They are a simple thing that is easily managed to prevent a few extra deaths. I can wear one to keep someone else alive or from getting super sick - even in this 102 degree Texas heat. But obviously a few people can't be told anything and they certainly won't read or educate themselves about why it matters. So here we are........

It reminds me of the team science project where 2 nerds do all the work, 4 people try to make it look like they are helping, and 2 dingles don't do anything. LOL

Well said, I am still stuck on the 12/hr though, damn it's 9 here. The poor workers, they have had to work through all this. Some of the stores and restaurants here have had outbreaks, so some got sick. They are being worked extra hours with no overtime or hazard pay and then to top it all off they have to deal with assholes yelling at them and threatening them.... they are just trying to get their crappy minimum wage check, so they can live. They don't qualify for the extra 600/wk that those on unemployment do. Most don't have access to healthcare. I feel so bad for all the "essential" type workers, but especially so, for the minimum wage ones. They are getting the shaft end of everything!

There is a flip side to this coin. I also know a couple of businesses that got popped hard in the beginning - and now their staffs have herd immunity. There is a bright side to allowing it to spread, whether the people who fear it want to accept that truth or not. Yes it will cost lives. But in the end there will be a group of people who have had it and have moved on. They are "free".

I think this reopening the schools will give it one more big push, and then we will finally see this beast start to dwindle. The US sits at 5M confirmed. Conservative estimates (anti body tests) put that reality at 50-100M infected. As many as 1/3rd of Americans may have already had this thing. Herd immunity starts digging in around 50-60% according to the science. We'll see.