Two generations like lost. No work, no new money, depleting savings. My generation trying hard to pay off the loans to at least have a roof over their heads and a junky car to drive to work if there is even work left at the ripe age. The children also lost. How the parent going to send them overseas to study for better life when parents having to pay for the roof over heads. The future for most is become delivery food rider. I'm fortunate prolonged illness spared me this fate but many wake up with the gnawing feeling.

Some places in world unemployment lines very long, people trying to get the one job. Send out hundreds of resumes, no reply. The food lines so long. If not appreciative of what little have and treat as the precious and rather farm out then one day join the line. Those reaching certain age, nobody want to hire. What else can do? Food truck but then many food trucks around already. People no money to buy from food truck just cook own food. Grow potatoes, grow vegetables. Keep the chickins.

I think the biggest thing COVID taught (reinforced in?) me is the number of people who believe that their rights afford them things that they aren't obligated to provide for anyone else.

Cookie Monster (4327680) wrote:I think the biggest thing COVID taught (reinforced in?) me is the number of people who believe that their rights afford them things that they aren't obligated to provide for anyone else.

Yeah, its a shame some people think their rights are more important then other peoples are. Its the reasom why we fought a civil war 150 years ago.....

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

Cookie Monster (4327680) wrote:I think the biggest thing COVID taught (reinforced in?) me is the number of people who believe that their rights afford them things that they aren't obligated to provide for anyone else.

Yeah, its a shame some people think their rights are more important then other peoples are. Its the reasom why we fought a civil war 150 years ago.....

This little podunk area that I live in has a hospital that is at max capacity...and we still have a county full of science-deniers that think it's their Constitutional right to go out and infect people with a deadly virus with impunity.
I'm really embarrassed, as of late, to say that I'm an American when the most vocal of us are these covidiots.

Got the 2nd dose and the clots. Hope there will be a booster shot later. I'd take vaccine every year if need to. If I die is ok cause my folks still have other children to care for them but don't want other people blame me that they get Covid and their family die. . My place a lot of people have passed away. Quite number both parents gone, children become orphan.

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Nubber (126579776) wrote:

Isla (2518852) wrote:I just don't want to go on lockdown again. We've been fortunate in the US to only undergo 1 big lockdown. I personally found it to be really nice when we had it as it was the first time I'd ever sort of just stopped and breathed since getting my first job many years ago. But, I don't want to have to do that again over a long time period anytime soon.

Even introverts need to see other people and get out of the house. Not to mention, I know a lot of people's income relies on us going out in to society.

I was among the first people not considered high risk in my town to get the vaccine, and that's why.

I don't think the US is psychologically capable of handling another lockdown, no matter how bad it gets. There are too many businesses and jobs that would just evaporate forever if they had to endure another one.

And don't let anyone in politics fool you. They didn't end the lockdown for you and me. They ended it because their damn tax revenues were at risk. Cities and states can't pay their bonds if people and businesses ain't spending. We'll all be sacrificed on the altar of economy before a lock down will show up again. The optics of body bags ain't nothing compared to the optics of municipal or state bankruptcy. We kill each other for $20 on some parts of this planet.........that ain't nothing compared to the 100s of trillions in debt owed by our governments.

I don't think so either. I know I'm definitely not mentally ready for another one. The period in May/June/early July where there seemed to be a light at the end of the tunnel was great and now it looks like that's dissipating. I'll happily wear my mask, but lockdowns are just so difficult. I agree that it was a nice breather at first, but I'm ready to be back. I am very lucky that my job is safe whether there's a lockdown or not, but that's not the case for others unfortunately. My boss mentioned that she had read somewhere that the peak of the delta variant should be sometime late August, which I sure hope is true. I'll ask her to send that article over so I can take a look at it.

How you feel is consistent with what I've heard from some others. Some of the people I know who were most vocal about the need for lockdown during the first one, are now more scared of that than whatever a spike in case counts does to us. I teased one of them about it using her "these are LIVES" rationale she used in the beginning.......it didn't go well and I apologized. She is literally scared of them both, but she fears the lockdown way more. I fear that she may need counselling for grief if anyone she knows dies from covid while she isn't supporting lockdown. It is THAT bad.

Yeah, I think it just takes a huge toll on you. I was far from family and I just spent all my time in my little apartment ...it wasn't very fun most of the time. I was very vocal about lockdowns when this whole thing first started, and if one happens now so be it, but I just hope it doesn't. That being said, I really don't think there will be.

So my neighbor who shall remain nameless........

She's a hypochondriac. She sees covid cooties everywhere and has had it - 4 times now. She goes for testing twice a week. She was in the first wave of vaccine takers. She wears a mask inside her car.....alone. The only reasons she leaves her house are for food, to get covid tested, and to see doctors. I think she anoints the outside of her house with cleaning alcohol every Saturday night as some sort of new religious ritual.

But I absolutely love talking to her and she'll pop out on her back porch when I'm grilling and we'll chat and I'll fluff her dogs. She has showed up as a "positive" test for covid in my town about a dozen times - yes she still goes twice a week to get tested even after testing positive. I think covid loves her. Her first bout with it kept her in bed for 3 days, but now she is asymptomatic when she testes positive. I think her dogs got infected and now every time she recovers, she gets it from them again. She thinks it will eventually go away and I don't.

But my questions swirl around what she does and how they affect the numbers. If someone who knows they are positive can just go get tested over and over and over and over.........doesn't that skew the numbers? Because the positive test numbers are what seem to drive a lot of angst in people when discussing this. I'm way more interested in the numbers around hospitals filling up than I am how many people are positive who feel fine. After all, the optics that seem most important to me are when people can't get medical help - and need it. I don't really care if 20M people have covid and get the sniffles or feel nothing. Welcome to life. But I do care when it takes people down.

Am I off here? Should I care that covid is spreading again if it doesn't really move the needle on hospital beds? For background, our local hospitals have seen an increase in bed counts for covid, but are nowhere near the top end they touched at the height of the problem 7 months ago.

Rod (126579776) wrote:So my neighbor who shall remain nameless........

She's a hypochondriac. She sees covid cooties everywhere and has had it - 4 times now. She goes for testing twice a week. She was in the first wave of vaccine takers. She wears a mask inside her car.....alone. The only reasons she leaves her house are for food, to get covid tested, and to see doctors. I think she anoints the outside of her house with cleaning alcohol every Saturday night as some sort of new religious ritual.

But I absolutely love talking to her and she'll pop out on her back porch when I'm grilling and we'll chat and I'll fluff her dogs. She has showed up as a "positive" test for covid in my town about a dozen times - yes she still goes twice a week to get tested even after testing positive. I think covid loves her. Her first bout with it kept her in bed for 3 days, but now she is asymptomatic when she testes positive. I think her dogs got infected and now every time she recovers, she gets it from them again. She thinks it will eventually go away and I don't.

But my questions swirl around what she does and how they affect the numbers. If someone who knows they are positive can just go get tested over and over and over and over.........doesn't that skew the numbers? Because the positive test numbers are what seem to drive a lot of angst in people when discussing this. I'm way more interested in the numbers around hospitals filling up than I am how many people are positive who feel fine. After all, the optics that seem most important to me are when people can't get medical help - and need it. I don't really care if 20M people have covid and get the sniffles or feel nothing. Welcome to life. But I do care when it takes people down.

Am I off here? Should I care that covid is spreading again if it doesn't really move the needle on hospital beds? For background, our local hospitals have seen an increase in bed counts for covid, but are nowhere near the top end they touched at the height of the problem 7 months ago.

You make a good point here, especially at this point in time. It would be extremely interesting to see the numbers filtered to how many individuals have contracted the virus but also how many have had it multiple times. I don't think I've seen anything reporting that statistic here, either.

They seem to be focusing on keeping up more with how many vaccinated people are contracting the virus after the fact.

Isla (2518852) wrote:You make a good point here, especially at this point in time. It would be extremely interesting to see the numbers filtered to how many individuals have contracted the virus but also how many have had it multiple times. I don't think I've seen anything reporting that statistic here, either.

They seem to be focusing on keeping up more with how many vaccinated people are contracting the virus after the fact.

I'm super excited to get the data around the vaccinated breakthrough cases when it starts hitting white papers (around 4 or 5 months from now). In particular, I want to know the differential between the ratio of unvaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations, and vaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations. The initial data are very encouraging, but they need to be formally tested and peer reviewed for validation.

The reason this matters is I have a group who will just not get vaccinated because they know they will just get it anyway. But if the data show that hospitalizations are reduced by 90% between vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's a huge number. (Early indicators are showing it to be about that high, but the source data are not tested or validated yet - so that stat is hearsay as far as I'm concerned).

Rod (126579776) wrote:

Isla (2518852) wrote:You make a good point here, especially at this point in time. It would be extremely interesting to see the numbers filtered to how many individuals have contracted the virus but also how many have had it multiple times. I don't think I've seen anything reporting that statistic here, either.

They seem to be focusing on keeping up more with how many vaccinated people are contracting the virus after the fact.

I'm super excited to get the data around the vaccinated breakthrough cases when it starts hitting white papers (around 4 or 5 months from now). In particular, I want to know the differential between the ratio of unvaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations, and vaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations. The initial data are very encouraging, but they need to be formally tested and peer reviewed for validation.

The reason this matters is I have a group who will just not get vaccinated because they know they will just get it anyway. But if the data show that hospitalizations are reduced by 90% between vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's a huge number. (Early indicators are showing it to be about that high, but the source data are not tested or validated yet - so that stat is hearsay as far as I'm concerned).

I had a meeting this morning and I was informed that a guy from my company died yesterday. I didn't know him, he was in a different area.
He was hospitalized for Covid, he had to be intubated, had a heart attack, and overcame it (both Covid and the heart attack). But the damage to his lungs and heart was huge and he didn't make it.

He was 39 and unvaccinated.

Quarantined Mata (13429328) wrote:

Rod (126579776) wrote:

Isla (2518852) wrote:You make a good point here, especially at this point in time. It would be extremely interesting to see the numbers filtered to how many individuals have contracted the virus but also how many have had it multiple times. I don't think I've seen anything reporting that statistic here, either.

They seem to be focusing on keeping up more with how many vaccinated people are contracting the virus after the fact.

I'm super excited to get the data around the vaccinated breakthrough cases when it starts hitting white papers (around 4 or 5 months from now). In particular, I want to know the differential between the ratio of unvaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations, and vaccinated positive tests and hospitalizations. The initial data are very encouraging, but they need to be formally tested and peer reviewed for validation.

The reason this matters is I have a group who will just not get vaccinated because they know they will just get it anyway. But if the data show that hospitalizations are reduced by 90% between vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's a huge number. (Early indicators are showing it to be about that high, but the source data are not tested or validated yet - so that stat is hearsay as far as I'm concerned).

I had a meeting this morning and I was informed that a guy from my company died yesterday. I didn't know him, he was in a different area.
He was hospitalized for Covid, he had to be intubated, had a heart attack, and overcame it (both Covid and the heart attack). But the damage to his lungs and heart was huge and he didn't make it.

He was 39 and unvaccinated.

There have been too many like this. My boss knows a family with a 28 year old son with no comorbidities who passed in July. Stay safe Miss Mata.

This is a big deal. Full approval means it can be required with less legal risk for companies, schools, etc etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fda-grants-full-approval-to-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/ar-AAND6kw?li=BBnb7Kz

Raging Whormoans (126579776) wrote:This is a big deal. Full approval means it can be required with less legal risk for companies, schools, etc etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fda-grants-full-approval-to-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/ar-AAND6kw?li=BBnb7Kz

Some of my closest ones are still against vaccination. I have completed my two shots, but have kept my mouth shut about it, just for the sake of peace.

TL Ira (187264144) wrote:

Raging Whormoans (126579776) wrote:This is a big deal. Full approval means it can be required with less legal risk for companies, schools, etc etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fda-grants-full-approval-to-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/ar-AAND6kw?li=BBnb7Kz

Some of my closest ones are still against vaccination. I have completed my two shots, but have kept my mouth shut about it, just for the sake of peace.

Good choice. I wish more people would choose to stay silent about their medical choices when it comes to this virus. I hate that it has turned into "peer pressure" - either way. I can write a thesis both for or against taking the vaccine. But I won't because it is a choice for each individual.

Fester (126579776) wrote:

TL Ira (187264144) wrote:

Raging Whormoans (126579776) wrote:This is a big deal. Full approval means it can be required with less legal risk for companies, schools, etc etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fda-grants-full-approval-to-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/ar-AAND6kw?li=BBnb7Kz

Some of my closest ones are still against vaccination. I have completed my two shots, but have kept my mouth shut about it, just for the sake of peace.

Good choice. I wish more people would choose to stay silent about their medical choices when it comes to this virus. I hate that it has turned into "peer pressure" - either way. I can write a thesis both for or against taking the vaccine. But I won't because it is a choice for each individual.

The bolded part

I'm not going to beg anyone to reconsider. It was their choice to either get or skip vaccination. I just wouldn't call it "peer" in my case, because I meant my family. They are antivaxxers. Luckily, I'm not an underage, but I'd still hate to spark that discussion.

TL Ira (187264144) wrote:

Fester (126579776) wrote:

TL Ira (187264144) wrote:

Raging Whormoans (126579776) wrote:This is a big deal. Full approval means it can be required with less legal risk for companies, schools, etc etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fda-grants-full-approval-to-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine/ar-AAND6kw?li=BBnb7Kz

Some of my closest ones are still against vaccination. I have completed my two shots, but have kept my mouth shut about it, just for the sake of peace.

Good choice. I wish more people would choose to stay silent about their medical choices when it comes to this virus. I hate that it has turned into "peer pressure" - either way. I can write a thesis both for or against taking the vaccine. But I won't because it is a choice for each individual.

The bolded part

I'm not going to beg anyone to reconsider. It was their choice to either get or skip vaccination. I just wouldn't call it "peer" in my case, because I meant my family. They are antivaxxers. Luckily, I'm not an underage, but I'd still hate to spark that discussion.

I'm in the midst of planning a cruise and trying to figure out what they are going to make me do on their boat. It's like wrestling with a smoke trail. They won't tell me if I'm going to have to wear a mask the entire time while on board. So I won't tell them if I'm going to book a cruise or not. LOL I don't mind getting vaccinated to go, but I do mind wearing a mask when I have great options for places that won't require it. I understand if they want to do it, but I'm not paying for that. I'd rather book a private casita on a beach.

I plan on getting the shots when i can.


I don't like forcing anything on people, and i think everyone should make the call about their own health..... im tired of hearing the conspiracy theories, and sick of hearing the woe is me when these anti-vaxxers get sick and are greatly harmed or worse. They made their decision, they can accept the outcome of it.

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Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:The level of entitlement & stubbornness in anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers is insane. Just wear the mask, get the shot(s), and shut up. If they don't want to do that for whatever stupid reason they have, then it's better to also shut up about it. It's crazy how some people celebrate their idiocy and ignorance.

& This is coming from someone who is naturally extremely stubborn herself. I just don't understand these idiots.

Similar arguments can be made about those who push the vax. There's good reasons to get it, and good ones not to get it. It just doesn't make sense to me for anyone to push others either way.