Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

Fear warns us of danger and the need to protect ourselves, but it is hope that gets us out of bed every day. Fear, without hope, can lead to self-destructive behaviors.

Sorry I missed this post. Hope is not a primal instinct, fear is. Hope is learned, fear is inherent. Therefore, fear plays the foremost and basic role for survival, even before birth.

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

The survival instinct in us is strong

You are on point, Peach, yes it is the survival instinct/mechanism. Fear is what instinctively prompts us to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Our ancient ancestors survived because as soon as they heard a suspicious sound in the dark night, they got ready with their spears in case it was a wild beast. I have an interesting story. I used to keep 10 cichlids in a fish tank. One of them was white with red eyes. The pet shop owner told me that white cichlids with red eyes were usually almost blind and that he might be the first to die. What really happened was amazing. That almost-blind fish was the very last to die. Why, because he feared the other cichlids, and thus was more cautious than the others. He kept a safe hiding place for himself in the tank. He knew how to avoid trouble with the other cichlids, he knew when and where to get food safely without fighting, and thus he outlived the others. After all the other cichlids died, he dared to swim freely and did not hide anymore. The pet shop keeper could never be more wrong

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

Fear warns us of danger and the need to protect ourselves, but it is hope that gets us out of bed every day. Fear, without hope, can lead to self-destructive behaviors.

Sorry I missed this post. Hope is not a primal instinct, fear is. Hope is learned, fear is inherent. Therefore, fear plays the foremost and basic role for survival, even before birth.

The topic appeared to be faith and/or hope vs/compared to fear, and did not appear to be limited to primal instincts. While we still have our primal instincts, we also have other instincts that have evolved so that we may be able to think more rationally and not react as impulsively. Of course in emergency situations it may be better to rely on the older instincts. But, in day-to-day life, exhibiting rage, for example, as an immediate reaction to our primal instincts, isn't going to get us very far. Our emotional intelligence is evolving.

StephMarie (129969826) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

The survival instinct in us is strong

You are on point, Peach, yes it is the survival instinct/mechanism. Fear is what instinctively prompts us to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Our ancient ancestors survived because as soon as they heard a suspicious sound in the dark night, they got ready with their spears in case it was a wild beast. I have an interesting story. I used to keep 10 cichlids in a fish tank. One of them was white with red eyes. The pet shop owner told me that white cichlids with red eyes were usually almost blind and that he might be the first to die. What really happened was amazing. That almost-blind fish was the very last to die. Why, because he feared the other cichlids, and thus was more cautious than the others. He kept a safe hiding place for himself in the tank. He knew how to avoid trouble with the other cichlids, he knew when and where to get food safely without fighting, and thus he outlived the others. After all the other cichlids died, he dared to swim freely and did not hide anymore. The pet shop keeper could never be more wrong

Aww, that's such a cute story about your fish, Stardust.

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

Fear warns us of danger and the need to protect ourselves, but it is hope that gets us out of bed every day. Fear, without hope, can lead to self-destructive behaviors.

Sorry I missed this post. Hope is not a primal instinct, fear is. Hope is learned, fear is inherent. Therefore, fear plays the foremost and basic role for survival, even before birth.

The topic appeared to be faith and/or hope vs/compared to fear, and did not appear to be limited to primal instincts. While we still have our primal instincts, we also have other instincts that have evolved so that we may be able to think more rationally and not react as impulsively. Of course in emergency situations it may be better to rely on the older instincts. But, in day-to-day life, exhibiting rage, for example, as an immediate reaction to our primal instincts, isn't going to get us very far. Our emotional intelligence is evolving.

I never said that primal instinct was always good, or always reliable. It is not. I was not even defending primal instinct per se. The topic is about survival (OP mentioned about stocking food and water in his first sentence), and thus I was saying that fear was the foremost and basic instinct or mechanism for survival. Survival is the keyword, not the primal fear, and fear was the one that motivates action and strategy of any organism to survive. Hope is less of an actor here compared to fear, especially because it is not inherent and not everyone has hope (but everyone has fear). I avoid mentioning about faith, which is different from hope. I'm afraid you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

SvG Jericha (6077295) wrote:

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:I prefer to live on facts and not faith, but i get the sentiment.

Facts over fear and faith.

Cali (114634836) wrote:You all need a slice of cheesecake! That'll cover the whole debate about Fear/Hope/Faith!
It restores the fear of not having a sense of deliciousness in your mouth and gives you hope to face the known and faith to believe in a good pastry chef!
So the OP should have said, "Stock up on Cheesecake and Wine"

Mahalo

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:Waiting for page 243 of this....

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:Waiting for page 243 of this....

Wait all you want, but did you at least bring snacks?!?!

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:Waiting for page 243 of this....

Wait all you want, but did you at least bring snacks?!?!

Booze. Lots of booze.

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:Waiting for page 243 of this....

Wait all you want, but did you at least bring snacks?!?!

Booze. Lots of booze.

If ya share, you'll be a good friend of mine.

The Tutor (126579776) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

The survival instinct in us is strong

Fascinating topic. The instinctive fear mechanism is truly a powerful motivator for action in all species, homo sapiens included. The ability to effectively respond to a threat is an undeniable truth in a species' survival.

Look out, because here comes my "However". LOL

However, the cognitive abilities inherent to homo sapiens give them an advantage over other species. We are singular in our ability to set aside fear (if we choose), and operate solely on thought and will. Part of that construct is the ability to operate in faith and hope and act accordingly. Part of being "brave" is doing something contrary to the fear instinct. When the allied forces stormed Normandy, they did so in the face of daunting odds. The smell of fear was everywhere. If it was in control, no one would have set foot on that beach. But these men had hope and faith that they could overcome the threat. And they did.

Fear can be a great motivator or it can cripple an individual. Hence why some people can survive being attacked by a bear and some don't.
And we can't assume what the men, on the beach at Normandy, felt. We weren't there. I can tell you, however, that when you are in the military, you obey orders, even when it's glaringly obvious that following those orders has a potential of ending in your demise. How do I know this? I'm married to a Vietnam veteran. So, let's not assume facts that are not in evidence, shall we?

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Serenity Now (6134566) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

Fear warns us of danger and the need to protect ourselves, but it is hope that gets us out of bed every day. Fear, without hope, can lead to self-destructive behaviors.

Sorry I missed this post. Hope is not a primal instinct, fear is. Hope is learned, fear is inherent. Therefore, fear plays the foremost and basic role for survival, even before birth.

The topic appeared to be faith and/or hope vs/compared to fear, and did not appear to be limited to primal instincts. While we still have our primal instincts, we also have other instincts that have evolved so that we may be able to think more rationally and not react as impulsively. Of course in emergency situations it may be better to rely on the older instincts. But, in day-to-day life, exhibiting rage, for example, as an immediate reaction to our primal instincts, isn't going to get us very far. Our emotional intelligence is evolving.

I never said that primal instinct was always good, or always reliable. It is not. I was not even defending primal instinct per se. The topic is about survival (OP mentioned about stocking food and water in his first sentence), and thus I was saying that fear was the foremost and basic instinct or mechanism for survival. Survival is the keyword, not the primal fear, and fear was the one that motivates action and strategy of any organism to survive. Hope is less of an actor here compared to fear, especially because it is not inherent and not everyone has hope (but everyone has fear). I avoid mentioning about faith, which is different from hope. I'm afraid you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Yes, I saw what the topic was originally about. I also saw later where people were discussing hope, faith, and fear. Your comment that I replied to was about faith and fear, hence my reply.

I did not assume that you might think primal instinct was always reliable. My point was simply that hope, in addition to fear, plays a key role in survival. If a person lost in the wilderness lacks/loses hope, they stop trying to find a way out, even though they have likely not stopped feeling fear. When a person loses/lacks hope, they are more likely to exhibit self-destructive behaviors. I agree that, unfortunately, not everyone possesses hope.

Anyway, I'm out. Have a great day.

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:OP really posted this broad statement and left us.

Does he mean the new COVID variants or the wildfires? Who knows. We just know he loves us.

Pinkylola (235554) wrote:We already got a good supply of water/ food and medication.

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:OP really posted this broad statement and left us.

Does he mean the new COVID variants or the wildfires? Who knows. We just know he loves us.

I thought he meant the fantasy going around now that there's a second Civil War coming in America. But then, that wouldn't be love of all would it, so maybe I'm wrong...

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:OP really posted this broad statement and left us.

Does he mean the new COVID variants or the wildfires? Who knows. We just know he loves us.

I thought he meant the fantasy going around now that there's a second Civil War coming in America. But then, that wouldn't be love of all would it, so maybe I'm wrong...