Cheap Date (126579776) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

Rod (126579776) wrote:You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

happy to impress

Always impressed with you sir.

I do worry about you though. Suspending what you know logically to allow the illogical and the entertaining their chance to permeate your consciousness ain't a bad thing. In fact, it is quite human. Take it from a guy who was wound so tight he once called down fire from heaven for some of the illogical sins in The Matrix. LOL "Fantasy" is a great source for creativity. It needs air my friend.

You are very correct. To be completely honest I don't think I'm trying hard enough.

As far as Horror movies go It looks like it's biological more than a state of the mind sort of thing, I must be low on dopamine, apparently, people who enjoy horror films experience higher release rate of this chemical than those who don't.

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

Cheap Date (126579776) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

Rod (126579776) wrote:You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

happy to impress

Always impressed with you sir.

I do worry about you though. Suspending what you know logically to allow the illogical and the entertaining their chance to permeate your consciousness ain't a bad thing. In fact, it is quite human. Take it from a guy who was wound so tight he once called down fire from heaven for some of the illogical sins in The Matrix. LOL "Fantasy" is a great source for creativity. It needs air my friend.

You are very correct. To be completely honest I don't think I'm trying hard enough.

As far as Horror movies go It looks like it's biological more than a state of the mind sort of thing, I must be low on dopamine, apparently, people who enjoy horror films experience higher release rate of this chemical than those who don't.

There's always a solution in form of artificial dopamine but I suggest staying away from that and finding your own dopamine. I believe you can always rewire your brain to achieve better life quality and balance, just don't stress yourself too much about everything and let your brain loose, every axe gets dull after number of chops so why not take time and sharpen it?

This thread needs the Bee Gees to keep ..... Staying Alive

YOU DEVIL!

I just heard it playing outside

Awe I've almost earned a thread killer trophy
But ooo another neat gif

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:Awe I've almost earned a thread killer trophy
But ooo another neat gif

Here ya go..

Allergic2BS (135815676) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:Awe I've almost earned a thread killer trophy
But ooo another neat gif

Here ya go..

Awwww thank you

This ain't over... I've been busy on Twitter the last couple of days but also reading my new book so far I have new ideas to write about.

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:This ain't over... I've been busy on Twitter the last couple of days but also reading my new book so far I have new ideas to write about.

I've been doing yardwork so I can complain about being drained

I'm back Be afraid.. Be very afraid.

That's nice, this thread needs to live

This is a question for everyone, i've been thinking about this recently as we get closer to 2020 and beyond, the talks about colonizing Mars are more serious than ever. Mars-One is aiming to establish the first Human Settlement on Mars, Elon Musk is not only aiming for 2024 for a mission to Mars he's even claiming this can be done by 2019 (Which is insane in my opinion) this guy has proved people wrong with his Tesla project and then with SpaceX, despite Tesla being on the verge of bankruptcy or going back to become a private company let's not forget he's up against giants like BMW and Mercedes who pretty much have trillions of dollars budget for their projects. Musk believed in electric cars 10 years ago while those companies were claiming not even till 2030 will we be mass manufacturing electric powered cars.

Anyway not to make this about Elon Musk, the thought i'd like an answer to is how you feel about colonizing Mars in terms of how successful something like that might be, and technical terms aside, how much do you think that's gonna be useful for future generations?

Like one man said, the Earth as planet can hold up to 500,000 people that could live in absolute peace and delight and don't get me wrong but that's absolutely correct, because if we take a look at ancient civilizations, they indeed lived in peace, until the numbers started growing and people had nowhere to live and then the wars started and thats how it went on for thousands of years. If you take a careful look at the origins of Slavic culture and tribes, they were peaceful artists and agriculturists because of fairly rich lands yielding lots of crops. The peace and bliss lasted until north-eastern tribes came in their search for new homeland, because their origins trace back to mountain areas which weren't suitable for establishing a sedetary living community. From all this we can see that despite all the efforts of community to make all areas of land into places people can live at, everything is really far from finished and luckily also beyond our abilities. There were many beautiful forests, waterstreams and other natural wonders which were destroyed in attempts to make areas suitable for living and building cities, while increasing air pollution and decreasing oxygen levels, as well ozone layer destruction. To be honest, I find that many of predicted climate changes and ecological disasters can at least be postponed if planet is to be depopularized a little, and mission of establishing communities on other planets could at least help a little bit. As someone who can't stand even the mild heat wave during summer, I find it quite traumatizing to think of fact this heat waves will soon enough become normal summer temperatures. If you take a look at statistics, this community is far from happy in general and is slowly dying. People fail to focus on important things like keeping this place as nice as we inherited it from our ancestors, to pass on to our children.

As for electric cars, they are idea that never got to live its full potential, sadly, it's mostly because of failing backup structures. How many times have you seen gas pumps having electric cables for charging? Or parking lots with those? Batteries can only store just as much energy and it's a hair pulling problem because electric engines have nasty tendencies to draw large currents both during startups and acceleration, considerably shortening battery lives. Not to mention you can fill your gas tank in seconds, while charging batteries is lenghty procedure (unless you want to disfigure your cells and leave them unusable, then you can use whichever input current you desire). My country has Rimac Cars, and from what I've heard from colleague who managed to get internship there, it's "load of problems you could call bs, until you try to solve them and figure out it's impossible", so before mass manufacturing, they should take care of charging stations as it's no fun at all when you have to come to parking lot manager begging for power cord and promising you'd pay his monthly electricity bill.

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:Like one man said, the Earth as planet can hold up to 500,000 people that could live in absolute peace and delight and don't get me wrong but that's absolutely correct, because if we take a look at ancient civilizations, they indeed lived in peace, until the numbers started growing and people had nowhere to live and then the wars started and thats how it went on for thousands of years. If you take a careful look at the origins of Slavic culture and tribes, they were peaceful artists and agriculturists because of fairly rich lands yielding lots of crops. The peace and bliss lasted until north-eastern tribes came in their search for new homeland, because their origins trace back to mountain areas which weren't suitable for establishing a sedetary living community. From all this we can see that despite all the efforts of community to make all areas of land into places people can live at, everything is really far from finished and luckily also beyond our abilities. There were many beautiful forests, waterstreams and other natural wonders which were destroyed in attempts to make areas suitable for living and building cities, while increasing air pollution and decreasing oxygen levels, as well ozone layer destruction. To be honest, I find that many of predicted climate changes and ecological disasters can at least be postponed if planet is to be depopularized a little, and mission of establishing communities on other planets could at least help a little bit. As someone who can't stand even the mild heat wave during summer, I find it quite traumatizing to think of fact this heat waves will soon enough become normal summer temperatures. If you take a look at statistics, this community is far from happy in general and is slowly dying. People fail to focus on important things like keeping this place as nice as we inherited it from our ancestors, to pass on to our children.

As for electric cars, they are idea that never got to live its full potential, sadly, it's mostly because of failing backup structures. How many times have you seen gas pumps having electric cables for charging? Or parking lots with those? Batteries can only store just as much energy and it's a hair pulling problem because electric engines have nasty tendencies to draw large currents both during startups and acceleration, considerably shortening battery lives. Not to mention you can fill your gas tank in seconds, while charging batteries is lenghty procedure (unless you want to disfigure your cells and leave them unusable, then you can use whichever input current you desire). My country has Rimac Cars, and from what I've heard from colleague who managed to get internship there, it's "load of problems you could call bs, until you try to solve them and figure out it's impossible", so before mass manufacturing, they should take care of charging stations as it's no fun at all when you have to come to parking lot manager begging for power cord and promising you'd pay his monthly electricity bill.

It's in our nature to explore, that's how we populated the entire planet by exploring it but I'm not sure if we are ready to 'destroy another earth' with our hatred towards each other Mars could be just another planet to host our additional conflicts especially when the time comes to go mapping it and give nations their homeland, Mars although smaller than Earth is also just as big as Earth's dry land so minus the oceans Mars can contain as many nations as planet Earth. One scientist argues that humanity needs this to be united towards achieving one goal for all of us just like the Moon landing inspired generations sending people to Mars will truly be our biggest leap yet as a specie into outer space, we need a plan B, not earth resources wise since on Mars we have to create from scratch but if our position in the universe is so fragile and so vulnerable that one stray asteroid with just the right side can litterslly wipe us out and destroy years of history and valuable discoveries so by transitioning to Mars we will always have plan B or a backup, my only worry is not humans going to Mars because its only a matter of time now it's taking our hate from Earth and spread it on another planet and that's not how we want to spread our message across the universe.

I do believe we will be able to terraform Mars over a thousand year or so in order to make its air breathable and that's not a long time on the universe calendar. As always apology for the typos I'm sending this from my phone.

As always I don't pay attention to typos because I'm also on phone and not looking for mistakes but reading through to understand, so don't worry about it.
Only thing I'm not going to do anymore is quote, it takes me dubious amouts of time to reach bottom of text because Puffin has a mind of its own and decides to nullify my scrolling efforts by jumping to top of text every time i try.

I'm afraid that mankind had been destroyed beyond the point where it could've still been repaired. Years of hate, competing and alienation between us has brought community to place where it stands today. If you exist, you are already ruining someones day and not going to lie, there are people I could live without in my circles as well, just that I can't say my whole day is ruined as soon as I run into them, but I certainly will make sure the day stays bright for both of us by avoiding any outbreaks and unnecessary quarrel. But of course, speaking of moral and 'what is right', there is no universal answer and yet we never fail to notice someone's acting 'bad' and doing 'wrong things', meaning there are 2 possible answers:
a) It's passed down to offsprings in genetic code
b) It's learned in early stages of our lives
First option seems like something dreamy, but we all have some traits of unknown origins. There are very emotional people who take everything to heart and there are cold blooded individuals who prefer thinking about everything in rational way, but that's just about edges, we are all mixtures of both in varying amounts. So when exactly do we learn something is fine and something isn't?
I haven't heard a parent who casually said to kids "hey, you know, it' s not okay to start a war" or "hey, you know, killing other beings is not something good" and yet there are people who wouldn't squish a bug and on the other hand, there are serial murderers. That goes beyond the law and claiming such acts are punishable, because serial murderers know they can be caught and imprisoned, and those who wouldn't squish a bug know there's no punishment for stepping on an ant but still feel grief.
So, there has to be something other and yes, there is. It's called empathy.
People who have better understanding of others' emotions tend to perform less actions with unsettling consequences for other living beings. Why have we lost our empathy over ages? I'd like to know where was that breaking point as well, when did material gain and wealthiness become more important than making someone's day bright.

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:As always I don't pay attention to typos because I'm also on phone and not looking for mistakes but reading through to understand, so don't worry about it.
Only thing I'm not going to do anymore is quote, it takes me dubious amouts of time to reach bottom of text because Puffin has a mind of its own and decides to nullify my scrolling efforts by jumping to top of text every time i try.

I'm afraid that mankind had been destroyed beyond the point where it could've still been repaired. Years of hate, competing and alienation between us has brought community to place where it stands today. If you exist, you are already ruining someones day and not going to lie, there are people I could live without in my circles as well, just that I can't say my whole day is ruined as soon as I run into them, but I certainly will make sure the day stays bright for both of us by avoiding any outbreaks and unnecessary quarrel. But of course, speaking of moral and 'what is right', there is no universal answer and yet we never fail to notice someone's acting 'bad' and doing 'wrong things', meaning there are 2 possible answers:
a) It's passed down to offsprings in genetic code
b) It's learned in early stages of our lives
First option seems like something dreamy, but we all have some traits of unknown origins. There are very emotional people who take everything to heart and there are cold blooded individuals who prefer thinking about everything in rational way, but that's just about edges, we are all mixtures of both in varying amounts. So when exactly do we learn something is fine and something isn't?
I haven't heard a parent who casually said to kids "hey, you know, it' s not okay to start a war" or "hey, you know, killing other beings is not something good" and yet there are people who wouldn't squish a bug and on the other hand, there are serial murderers. That goes beyond the law and claiming such acts are punishable, because serial murderers know they can be caught and imprisoned, and those who wouldn't squish a bug know there's no punishment for stepping on an ant but still feel grief.
So, there has to be something other and yes, there is. It's called empathy.
People who have better understanding of others' emotions tend to perform less actions with unsettling consequences for other living beings. Why have we lost our empathy over ages? I'd like to know where was that breaking point as well, when did material gain and wealthiness become more important than making someone's day bright.

How do you feel about selective breeding? Say we only send people with a certain IQ level to Mars and build the first community there on fair social values based on everything we fought for here on Earth such as equality and so on.

It's kind of hard to do, as you've still got years of trauma inset in our genetic code. If there was a way to obtain genomes of our ancestors, there might be a clue on how to prevent further society degradation, but I don't think selective breeding all alone would do any good because look at greatest minds ever and how many of them were actually villains. IQ alone tells you nothing about the person.

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:It's kind of hard to do, as you've still got years of trauma inset in our genetic code. If there was a way to obtain genomes of our ancestors, there might be a clue on how to prevent further society degradation, but I don't think selective breeding all alone would do any good because look at greatest minds ever and how many of them were actually villains. IQ alone tells you nothing about the person.

Mars covered in toxic chemicals that can wipe out living organisms, tests reveal
Discovery has major implications for hunt for alien life on the red planet as it means any evidence is likely to be buried deep underground



The chances of anything coming from Mars have taken a downward turn with the finding that the surface of the red planet contains a “toxic cocktail” of chemicals that can wipe out living organisms.

Experiments with compounds found in the Martian soil show that they are turned into potent bactericides by the ultraviolet light that bathes the planet, effectively sterilising the upper layers of the dusty landscape.

The discovery has wide-ranging implications for the hunt for alien life on the fourth rock from the sun and suggests that missions will have to dig deep underground to find past or present life if it lurks there. The most hospitable environment may lie two or three metres beneath the surface where the soil and any organisms are shielded from intense radiation. “At those depths, it’s possible Martian life may survive,” said Jennifer Wadsworth, a postgraduate astrobiologist at Edinburgh University.

Wadsworth’s research was driven by the discovery of powerful oxidants known as perchlorates in the Martian soil some years back. Hints of perchlorates first showed up in tests performed by Nasa’s Viking lander missions 40 years ago, but were confirmed recently by the space agency’s Phoenix lander and Mars rover, Curiosity. In 2015, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spotted signs of perchlorates in what appeared to be wet and briny streaks that seeped down Martian gullies and crater walls.

Many scientists suspected that perchlorates would be toxic for microbial Martians, but in theory at least, alien bacteria might find a way to use the chemicals as an energy source. If life could thrive in perchlorate-rich brines, then aliens might be thriving in the damp patches on Mars.

Working with Charles Cockell, an astrobiologist at Edinburgh, Wadsworth looked at what happened to Bacillus subtilis, a common soil bacterium and regular Earthly contaminant found on space probes, when it was mixed with magnesium perchlorate and blasted with ultraviolet rays similar to those witnessed on Mars. She found that the bugs were wiped out twice as fast when perchlorate was present. Other perchlorates found on Mars had a similar bactericidal effect.

Further tests found that the UV rays broke down the perchlorate into other chemicals, namely hypochlorite and chlorite, and it is these that appear to be so destructive to the bacteria.

The scientists followed-up with another round of experiments that looked at the toxic effects of iron oxides and hydrogen peroxide, which are also found in Martian soil. These tests yielded even more bad news for microscopic Martians: when the bacteria were hit with UV rays in the presence of perchlorates, iron oxide and peroxide, the bugs were killed 11 times faster than with perchlorates alone. Writing in Scientific Reports, the researchers say that the inhospitable conditions on Mars are caused by a “toxic cocktail of oxidants, iron oxides, perchlorates and UV irradiation.”

The findings mean that damp streaks on the Martian surface that have been spotted from orbit may not be prime spots to find alien microbes. The briny patches would be likely to concentrate perchlorates, making the streaks even more toxic than the surrounding soil.

“I can’t speak for life in the past,” said Wadsworth. “As far as present life, it doesn’t rule it out but probably means we should look for life underground where it’s shielded from the harsh radiation environment on the surface.”

Chris McKay, a planetary scientist at Nasa Ames Research Center in California, said the study was “a big step forward” in understanding the ramifications of finding high levels of perchlorate on Mars. From a Mars exploration point of view, he said the results were both good and bad news. On the plus side, it means that any microbes that hitch a ride on landers sent to Mars will be swiftly destroyed on the surface, alleviating concerns about contaminating a potentially inhabited planet. “This should greatly reduce planetary protection concerns as well as any concerns about infection of astronauts,” he said. “But the bad news is that this means we have to dig to quite some depth to reach a biological record of early life that is not completely destroyed by the reactive UV-activated perchlorates.”

In 2020, the European Space Agency plans to send its ExoMars rover to the red planet on a mission to search for alien life. The rover is equipped with a drill that can bore two metres into the ground to retrieve soil samples in which microscopic Martians may be found.


There’s water on Mars, but is there life?
Andrew Coates, a planetary scientist at UCL who leads the ExoMars panoramic camera team, said the work shows that the surface of Mars today is more hostile to life than thought. “This, combined with the solar and galactic particle radiation environment at the Martian surface, makes it all the more important to sample underneath the surface in the search for biomarkers,” he said.

“With the ExoMars rover, we will drill to retrieve and analyse samples from up to 2m under the surface,” he added. “This is important as a millimetre or two will get us below the harmful ultraviolet, one metre will get us below the oxidants such as perchlorates, and 1.5m gets us below the ionising radiation from the sun and galaxy.”

Given the amount of unknowns in humanity, physics, space, and our relative brief history, it is much more likely that humanity will be extinct before it agrees upon and completes space successful space expansion.

Without diving off the deep end, nowhere else in this universe has been proven to be conducive to life. In fact, every time a good theory comes up, it eventually gets thrown in the garbage as we realize just how hostile the rest of the universe is towards Earth based organisms.

And don't get me started on the size of the universe and the potential for billions of galaxies to potentially hold planets/moons similar to earth. I recognize this potential as probable. I just don't buy the evolution theory anymore. Not even for a second. That emperor has fewer clothes than the other one.