Anthony (102235402) wrote:Also, some of you say the auction house is a good way to continue the cycle, that some of you speak of, this cycle which keeps the game from purging coins, what you are forgetting is, that for every coin sale, the auction house keeps, if I remember correctly, a 10% commission. What happens to those coins? Nothing, they go poof. So this 'cycle' some of you speak of, slowly removes coins from the game as well, 10% from each sale to be exact. Especially from big purchases, in which 10% is a terribly large amount.

10% is nothing. I factor that 10% into my selling prices. I make the buyer pay it.

Sure someone loses it, But its not always the party that should.

Nyx (12531218) wrote:10% is nothing. I factor that 10% into my selling prices. I make the buyer pay it.

Sure someone loses it, But its not always the party that should.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people avoid the AH simply to avoid that loss. No one *has* to use the AH to buy and sell.

SlayBelle (104059883) wrote:

Nyx (12531218) wrote:10% is nothing. I factor that 10% into my selling prices. I make the buyer pay it.

Sure someone loses it, But its not always the party that should.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people avoid the AH simply to avoid that loss. No one *has* to use the AH to buy and sell.

Right I sold my NC blush in the AH for 11m. Even after the 10% I still cleared just under 10M on it. I factored that 10% into my price. If I was selling an 08 worth substantially more.. i'd go the FB group or event route.

I think they need tiered commission in the AH to drain coins from the game.

Sales up to 1mil have a 10% commission
Sales between 1 and 5 mil at 15%
Sales between 5 and 10 mil at 20%
Sales between 10 and 20 mil at 30%
Sales between 20 and 40 mil at 40%
Sales between over 40 mil at 50%

According to what i read . He seems to think the economy is good because items went up. They always go up. But when all items go up this is no help. As when you make a little profit it ends up going to the next over priced item. I would say the economy in yoville is a mess and i think once new themes are introduced the economy will get better.


Oh and the Auction House charges 20% not 10 %

Jeffery (5358175) wrote:Oh and the Auction House charges 20% not 10 %

20% on yocash sales and 10% on yocoin sales.

Flatch Ulater MYP (13247207) wrote:I'm not so sure bvg knew exactly what they were getting into...

Yeah I am not so sure they did either. I think their efforts are very valorous and I can appreciate what they are trying to do. This game however is of a really different breed compared to other games. It is also a game that isn't going to be entirely fair and make the company money.

They really have to take advantage of and know the places that will get them their money. It is unfortunate, but they can't cater to the people who don't spend the money. It may not seem fair, but bottom line is if they don't make money it will be hard to keep the game going.

Offering coin items in the store that should be premium items, might be nice for people who can't financially support the game, and if the game didn't involve trading that might make sense. The fact that trading is involved offers the rare opportunity for BVG to actually gain income from coin players, through those who purchase YC. The problem is if they can instead buy those premium* items for less coins in store they will. It won't matter that it is only one color, they will still settle for that.

It may sound harsh, but they are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to be fair. Even though I am willing to purchase my share of YC and always have, hey I am just as guilty of taking advantage of the best deal as the next guy. I did not purchase the YC hair in this release, which I would have normally done. Frankly the coin one was just fine for me. If they continue to offer them for coins, it will probably take one hec of an awesome hair for me to use my YC.

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:The problem is if they can instead buy those premium* items for less coins in store they will. It won't matter that it is only one color, they will still settle for that.

I totally agree with this and think all colors should be the same price.

It still sucks in my opinion.

I think the yoconomy is starting to balance out a little. just my opinion

Seems like BVG is only catering to those who spend money on the game.

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:Seems like BVG is only catering to those who spend money on the game.

Well quite frankly I think they should ...

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:Seems like BVG is only catering to those who spend money on the game.

Well quite frankly I think they should ...

But what about the others? People like me who can't spend money on the game?

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:Seems like BVG is only catering to those who spend money on the game.

Well quite frankly I think they should ...

But what about the others? People like me who can't spend money on the game?

Do you see a badge above my name ... We still matter but without people who spend money on the game ... THERE WOULD BE NO GAME!

Right now we are in YO Communism, where people still have money left over from the capitalist days, but there is NOTHING to buy. Also the way we used to make coins, (the Special delivery Boxes) are badly needed, and as far as I can see, new people still can't add all the neighbors that they need to get top pay. Which brings me back to the Communist thought of lack of pay for potential work, that's not available.

Hopefully BVG will correct this situation, which they need to correct to turn out a profit instead of running on a deficit like they are now. I have offered Greg my help, but he has not been willing to take it. I have ideas that will turn this deficit around in 3 months.

*wakes up and rejoins the fray*

My stance is unchanged. The issue is always about content people want. When people want, they change their behavior. It doesn't matter if they have 300 million coins or 30. I'm amazed at how often we see players who claim to hate yo cash, wearing stuff that is yo cash. People act when they want - ie: Cloche Hats.

What put Yo into this stagnant economic funk was not the excess or lack of coins, it was purely the lack of stuff people wanted. When rich players want new stuff and they are low on coins, they will sell one of their precious baubles to get it or buy yo cash. When they have too many coins they employ a yocash dealer to trade it. When poor players want, they start buying yo cash or they quit. The trick is to provide things players want at price levels that get them spend or trade.

The problem with so many of the arguments presented is that they tend to generalize groups. The problem with this is that the size and spending patterns of those groups change with the wind. For the sake of discussion I understand why they are presented this way, but in the end the basis is still speculation based on personal experience filtered by personal subjectivity (I'm not immune to doing this as well). We are missing facts.

I do hope they raise the coins in the factory for starters and give new players ways to get more coins. But even more so I hope we start seeing solid releases with content new and old players love and want to buy or trade for. When there is new stuff that people want, all groups are happy. New players can get cool stuff they can have fun with. Old players have new toys to enjoy with their friends. Decorators stay busy and creative. Costume lovers have a new wrinkle to work with. Yo has never been about what we have, but it is always about what we want. Chase the 'WANT' BVG. Chase the 'WANT'.

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:

Adrianna (171425637) wrote:Seems like BVG is only catering to those who spend money on the game.

But what about the others? People like me who can't spend money on the game?

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BVG is releasing things in the store for coins that were always yocash. I think pretty much everything they have released for yocash has had a coin version. I'm not seeing how that is catering to only those that spend money on the game. When "the others" owned this game, you couldn't get a complete outfit or hair without yocash or finding a yocash dealer. What more do they need to do to become fair in your eyes?

It made me much richer. I had soo many stuff that are like 1-3m now! Like those Red Jay Fur Boots, or my Vday Sparkly Headphones which I bought in a message box sale for 50k in 2013, now they're 3m. It's shocking. My Ash Canadian Holiday hair used to only be worth 100k now they're 3m, same thing for my korab hair. Plenty of my furniture is 1m + from the change in the Yoconomy. It also made plenty of other stuff really expensive. Well, the people who bought a lot of stuff from the new releases (like me) benifited, while others didn't really gain or lose anything. But the poor will now struggle as the prices are extremely high. 30K is too much for 1 yc. Its outrageous, less people are buying from yocash dealers, more yocash dealers aren't buying any more yocash, less yocash is being bought. It's works out for everyone but BVG. *sorry for any typos I typed this up rlly fast*

There is also one other point, which I haven't seen brought up yet...
The new players, as well as some of the older ones like myself, may not care a lot about the items from years back if there are nice things released now and moving forward. I do have some coins, nothing crazy, and I have yocash which I buy monthly, again nothing crazy. Lately I've been focusing on basic items to decorate my homes with - and if I have newer options then I will buy those instead of paying some crazy amount for a vase of flowers, etc.
New players may not want some of those "rares" if they have a nice new selection to work with. The key factor here though is giving them the ability to earn more coins daily so they can afford the new items in the stores. I like how the pricing system currently is - the blue cloak is yocash but the dress is coins. The purple cloak is coins but the dress is yocash... this encourages me to buy both the coin item and the yocash item so that my outfit will match. The prices aren't crazy. A new player, once given the opportunity to make more coins daily, could be willing to buy a matching outfit as well. They would probably even be willing to buy some yocash so that they could complete their look... and for those that can't buy yocash, they can trade or else mix and match for an outfit that is still nice, and probably more creative.