oh yeah... one more thing.. only 1 of the moose hats removes the hair.. the Brown Moose hat... the other 2 colors you can wear with hair..

Thanks for the new theme,bought a new dress, cape and earrings.The earrings are adorable.

sue two (113201761) wrote:oh yeah... one more thing.. only 1 of the moose hats removes the hair.. the Brown Moose hat... the other 2 colors you can wear with hair..

I just tried them all again at the store..and the hair disappears with all of them. Hope they are working on this glitch..love the hats

Unlike many,i actually like this frozen theme in july,just as i like beach themes in winter lol i don t adore the hair&co tbh,but more of an item person anyway ,crossing fingers for an ice castle

Quite honestly, disappointed. Overall, this stuff just isn't my style. A bit too matronly for my taste. The outlining of things needs to go. The hair colors are dull. The hairlines are far too high and the tops of the hair are flat. Women like hair with a bit of volume. A few friends have said the hairs are okay with hats, however, I'm not going to buy a hair that requires a hat to make it look good. Especially for 18-25YC.

The dresses and reindeer coats aren't too bad. But the cloaks? The big muumuu ones? They lack dimension and the outline seriously needs to go. Almost nothing we have in game is outlined like that. The moose hats have potential, on top of the problem of the game recognizing it as a hair rather than a hat, the colors are flat and the outline is bad.

The earrings are cute. I bought all of them except the YC item, which brings me to pricing. It's nice there are coin options available for coin players, however, when it comes to the pricing of coin items, I would't really bat an eyelash at the difference between 500c and 9k. You get up into 50k, 100k, that's when I'd take note of coin pricing. I would assume the majority of current players have a well stocked coin base or can get them easily with a few sales. So, while the coin pricing might matter to a newer player it has less of an impact on the existing players.

The YC pricing is strange as well. Even though the sales prices to buy YC and Coins indicates a close 2k:1 ratio, the in game player ratio is closer to 30k:1. And 8yc won't actually translate to 16k for a coin player. It would more likely translate to 240k. That's where I bat my eyelashes. I understand that these items are meant to be a premium, but the reasoning makes less sense than it has in the past.

The reasons given for the current coins vs YC pricing structure are odd. The first being that a different color or more desirable color should come with a higher price (or YC price) because of the work involved. Coloring an item is not nearly as much work as simply making the item itself, so the logic fails there. It's not as if you are having to cover the cost of an expensive dye. Another reason given was that in a store like say, Walmart, there are a variety of prices. Yes, but not for a different color of the same item. Maybe for a different brand. Walmart doesn't sell a white t-shirt for $5 dollars, and a blue one for $60. But while a Walmart brand shirt might cost you $5 bucks, an Armani Exchange one would cost $60. Since you operate the same brand, the pricing disparity doesn't work. It's nice for players to be able to pay for things with coins, however, the high YC prices based on flimsy reasons will only discourage people from buying the YC ones. A pretty dress is 5k for purple and 8yc for blue? Considering the blue would cost me either real world money or an abundance of coins, I'm more than happy to make due with the purple. However, if you had a hat of several different colors and all were YC, I'd probably drop the cash and pick up the YC item. Dependent on the quality, of course. (And provided that all colors of the item were the same YC price. They only time where I could see why the same item of a different color would be a different price would be if there was less color detail on the lower price item. I.E. A dual tone pair of earrings for 5yc and different color monotone copies of the same item for 4yc.)

This lack of consistency also doesn't in any way help to stabilize the economy. For years, we've all played with the knowledge that hats, hairs and handhelds hold a higher value than shirts, shoes, pants and dresses. With tens of thousands of items in game, throwing this idea off would only cause confusion among traders later on down the road.

Also, I believe the idea was that common items: shirts, pants, shoes, and dresses were coins because they were just that, common. Available to all who wish to play. But hats, handhelds, and hairs were seen as premium items - not necessary for gameplay but premium extras that people would pay real money for, hence their YC prices. This makes sense to me, and it makes sense from a business standpoint as well. I'm not crazy about your pricing, but it's more beneficial to me. It gives me less of a reason to buy YC, I'll make due with the several colors available in coins. If a good chunk of players think like I do, it could really end up translating to less sales for you guys and end up hurting your bottom line.

ETA: Here's a point that a friend of mine made that I agree with - I liked the earrings on this release. The blue ones were 2yc. At that price, I would have dropped YC for all colors. As it stands, I'm more than happy to snatch up all the coin ones and forget about the YC one. So, you missed a sale there. I would have spent 10yc on earrings for all pairs. But I won't spend 2yc for one pair when the others are coins. It's a missed opportunity!

SlayBelle (104059883) wrote:
ETA: Here's a point that a friend of mine made that I agree with - I liked the earrings on this release. The blue ones were 2yc. At that price, I would have dropped YC for all colors. As it stands, I'm more than happy to snatch up all the coin ones and forget about the YC one. So, you missed a sale there. I would have spent 10yc on earrings for all pairs. But I won't spend 2yc for one pair when the others are coins. It's a missed opportunity!

This.

Why would someone go out and spend 2yc for a pair of earrings when the rest are 500 coins?

Now if you put one pair of earrings and the rest at 50k, with the way the price market goes on yocash sales, people would actually spend the 2yc to get the other color.

As it stands now, I don't see sales on the 2yc earrings being higher than like 50 pairs and honestly, why should anyone bother getting them?

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

SlayBelle (104059883) wrote:
ETA: Here's a point that a friend of mine made that I agree with - I liked the earrings on this release. The blue ones were 2yc. At that price, I would have dropped YC for all colors. As it stands, I'm more than happy to snatch up all the coin ones and forget about the YC one. So, you missed a sale there. I would have spent 10yc on earrings for all pairs. But I won't spend 2yc for one pair when the others are coins. It's a missed opportunity!

This.

Why would someone go out and spend 2yc for a pair of earrings when the rest are 500 coins?

Now if you put one pair of earrings and the rest at 50k, with the way the price market goes on yocash sales, people would actually spend the 2yc to get the other color.

As it stands now, I don't see sales on the 2yc earrings being higher than like 50 pairs and honestly, why should anyone bother getting them?

Yes. That makes sense to me. If the other colors were priced at 50k, I'd definitely spring for the 2yc pair. And I'd think about buying most of the other colors as well. That would also help to achieve the aim of ridding a bit of the coin wealth that makes the game economy such a mess.

SlayBelle (104059883) wrote:Quite honestly, disappointed. Overall, this stuff just isn't my style. A bit too matronly for my taste. The outlining of things needs to go. The hair colors are dull. The hairlines are far too high and the tops of the hair are flat. Women like hair with a bit of volume. A few friends have said the hairs are okay with hats, however, I'm not going to buy a hair that requires a hat to make it look good. Especially for 18-25YC.

The dresses and reindeer coats aren't too bad. But the cloaks? The big muumuu ones? They lack dimension and the outline seriously needs to go. Almost nothing we have in game is outlined like that. The moose hats have potential, on top of the problem of the game recognizing it as a hair rather than a hat, the colors are flat and the outline is bad.

The earrings are cute. I bought all of them except the YC item, which brings me to pricing. It's nice there are coin options available for coin players, however, when it comes to the pricing of coin items, I would't really bat an eyelash at the difference between 500c and 9k. You get up into 50k, 100k, that's when I'd take note of coin pricing. I would assume the majority of current players have a well stocked coin base or can get them easily with a few sales. So, while the coin pricing might matter to a newer player it has less of an impact on the existing players.

The YC pricing is strange as well. Even though the sales prices to buy YC and Coins indicates a close 2k:1 ratio, the in game player ratio is closer to 30k:1. And 8yc won't actually translate to 16k for a coin player. It would more likely translate to 240k. That's where I bat my eyelashes. I understand that these items are meant to be a premium, but the reasoning makes less sense than it has in the past.

The reasons giving for the current coins vs YC pricing structure are odd. The first being that a different color or more desirable color should come with a higher price (or YC price) because of the work involved. Coloring an item is not nearly as much work as simply making the item itself, so the logic fails there. It's not as if you are having to cover the cost of an expensive dye. Another reason given was that in a store like say, Walmart, there are a variety of prices. Yes, but not for a different color of the same item. Maybe for a different brand. Walmart doesn't sell a white t-shirt for $5 dollars, and a blue one for $60. But while a Walmart brand shirt might cost you $5 bucks, an Armani Exchange one would cost $60. Since you operate the same brand, the pricing disparity doesn't work. It's nice for players to be able to pay for things with coins, however, the high YC prices based on flimsy reasons will only discourage people from buying the YC ones. A pretty dress is 5k for purple and 8yc for blue? Considering the blue would cost me either real world money or an abundance of coins, I'm more than happy to make due with the purple. However, if you had a hat of several different colors and all were YC, I'd probably drop the cash and pick up the YC item. Dependent on the quality, of course.

This lack of consistency also doesn't in any way help to stabilize the economy. For years, we've all played with the knowledge that hats, hairs and handhelds hold a higher value than shirts, shoes, pants and dresses. With tens of thousands of items in game, throwing this idea off would only cause confusion among traders later on down the road.

Also, I believe the idea was that common items: shirts, pants, shoes, and dresses were coins because they were just that, common. Available to all who wish to play. But hats, handhelds, and hairs were seen as premium items - not necessary for gameplay but premium extras that people would pay real money for, hence their YC prices. This makes sense to me, and it makes sense from a business standpoint as well. I'm not crazy about your pricing, but it's more beneficial to me. It gives me less of a reason to buy YC, I'll make due with the several colors available in coins. If a good chunk of players think like I do, it could really end up translating to less sales for you guys and end up hurting your bottom line.

ETA: Here's a point that a friend of mine made that I agree with - I liked the earrings on this release. The blue ones were 2yc. At that price, I would have dropped YC for all colors. As it stands, I'm more than happy to snatch up all the coin ones and forget about the YC one. So, you missed a sale there. I would have spent 10yc on earrings for all pairs. But I won't spend 2yc for one pair when the others are coins. It's a missed opportunity!

This is a great example! I won't lie... it is nice to get items that we are used to being able to buy with only YC, for coins.

However, on the other hand I would like to see BVG make the money they need on this game, to keep it going, and also improving.

This same principle applies to hairs. Hair is a HUGE money maker. By offering the same hair for coins and YC, especially when the coin hair is a common color <blonde, brown, black or red> that is going to cut into YC sales big time.
a) Many buying for only themselves will instead opt for a coin hair where in the past this would not have been an option.
b) Players who would normally have to also buy the hair from someone who paid YC for it, will clearly opt to buy the 30K coin hair as compared to the 150K to more like 300K coins they would have to pay a YC dealer. So it actually hurts everyone except for the people not spending real money on the game.... they are the main benefactors of this plan.

I think it is maybe okay to offer coin hairs, but clearly they should not be the same ones that are sold for YC, and not as detailed etc...

The fact that a pair of the same pants cost coins with one color being YC will certainly create a lot of confusion down the road for trading. It will make it very hard to ever get the additional coins needed for the YC colored pair. This makes it not worth purchasing for YC.

It is just like IF once there is furniture... if you have a sofa, love seat and chair set... and one of them out of the three is for coins, it will have a sever affect on BVG's take on those that are YC.

This game is very different than most games because of it's trading market. While the mix of normal YC items being offered for coin is great for many players.. over all it is huge lost opportunity in making money for BVG.

I don't see enough people purchasing the YC pair of jeans that are normally coin, to off set the loss in providing a normal YC item for coins. I feel it is going to take a big chunk out of YC sales.

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:
This is a great example! I won't lie... it is nice to get items that we are used to being able to buy with only YC, for coins.

However, on the other hand I would like to see BVG make the money they need on this game, to keep it going, and also improving.

This same principle applies to hairs. Hair is a HUGE money maker. By offering the same hair for coins and YC, especially when the coin hair is a common color <blonde, brown, black or red> that is going to cut into YC sales big time.
a) Many buying for only themselves will instead opt for a coin hair where in the past this would not have been an option.
b) Players who would normally have to also buy the hair from someone who paid YC for it, will clearly opt to buy the 30K coin hair as compared to the 150K to more like 300K coins they would have to pay a YC dealer. So it actually hurts everyone except for the people not spending real money on the game.... they are the main benefactors of this plan.

I think it is maybe okay to offer coin hairs, but clearly they should not be the same ones that are sold for YC, and not as detailed etc...

The fact that a pair of the same pants cost coins with one color being YC will certainly create a lot of confusion down the road for trading. It will make it very hard to ever get the additional coins needed for the YC colored pair. This makes it not worth purchasing for YC.

It is just like IF once there is furniture... if you have a sofa, love seat and chair set... and one of them out of the three is for coins, it will have a sever affect on BVG's take on those that are YC.

This game is very different than most games because of it's trading market. While the mix of normal YC items being offered for coin is great for many players.. over all it is huge lost opportunity in making money for BVG.

I don't see enough people purchasing the YC pair of jeans that are normally coin, to off set the loss in providing a normal YC item for coins. I feel it is going to take a big chunk out of YC sales.

This is what I think! I am not complaining about the pricing for me. i buy my YC when i want so i can afford a yc item, but why would i when there are coin options? i want BVG to do well and justify its expense. Most of the players benefit from this tiered pricing but will BVG?

Hope BVG find a skilled 3d artists soon

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:
This same principle applies to hairs. Hair is a HUGE money maker. By offering the same hair for coins and YC, especially when the coin hair is a common color <blonde, brown, black or red> that is going to cut into YC sales big time.
a) Many buying for only themselves will instead opt for a coin hair where in the past this would not have been an option.
b) Players who would normally have to also buy the hair from someone who paid YC for it, will clearly opt to buy the 30K coin hair as compared to the 150K to more like 300K coins they would have to pay a YC dealer. So it actually hurts everyone except for the people not spending real money on the game.... they are the main benefactors of this plan.

I think it is maybe okay to offer coin hairs, but clearly they should not be the same ones that are sold for YC, and not as detailed etc...

...

I don't see enough people purchasing the YC pair of jeans that are normally coin, to off set the loss in providing a normal YC item for coins. I feel it is going to take a big chunk out of YC sales.

This is a really great example as well. You make excellent points. I want to see BVG excel with YoWorld. Given yesterday's post about expenditures and needing players to support them, I hope they take these ideas into consideration.

Voldesnort (3054329) wrote: This is what I think! I am not complaining about the pricing for me. i buy my YC when i want so i can afford a yc item, but why would i when there are coin options? i want BVG to do well and justify its expense. Most of the players benefit from this tiered pricing but will BVG?

I think this is so important for them to see and understand! Players simply won't spend the YC if they don't have to. I agree with you - it needs to be justified.

The thing is also that people are already used to the way prices were structured before... so it wouldn't have been a big deal. The problem will be when later on if BVG sees the need to change the structure they are using and they stop offering the YC hair for coins etc... people will go ballistic as compared to when from time to time you might offer a coin hair you are golden in their eyes.

It is all a matter of what people become a custom to. So they might want to think about this before it becomes etched in stone, LOL

Wikkd Mistress (114548862) wrote:The thing is also that people are already used to the way prices were structured before... so it wouldn't have been a big deal. The problem will be when later on if BVG sees the need to change the structure they are using and they stop offering the YC hair for coins etc... people will go ballistic as compared to when from time to time you might offer a coin hair you are golden in their eyes.

It is all a matter of what people become a custom to. So they might want to think about this before it becomes etched in stone, LOL

I agree with you on this as well. Before, I didn't really have a problem with the way things were priced and I spent quite a lot of money on this game. They only time I thought it was an issue was when an item such as a ring, or small earrings were priced with YC. If I can't see it on my avatar in game, I'm not spending real money on it. Toward the end, however, more and more things started becoming YoCash. Basic things like rugs, plants, etc. Basics - whether furniture or clothes should always be coins. Premium items, such as couches, and hairs should always be YC. (Maybe with an exception for special occasions here and there.)

I never thought pricing was something that was broken with the previous owners. Lack of advertising, lack of maintenance, allowing script kids to take over and turning a blind eye to coin sellers is what sunk the ship. I appreciate BVG taking this on but the things that are not broken with the game do not need to be fixed. It has inherent potential to make money, it just needs a little TLC.

And you are right, if people become accustomed to the current price system and there is a need to change it down the road (due to lack of sales or whatever), it won't be pretty.

I'm loving the theme! I'm all for snow in July, cause it's hot out there and watermelon isn't cutting it.
I love the quality and the items. I am thrilled to find out there will be more items coming because my only complaint at first was there was not enough of this theme.
I do agree with a lot of posts I've seen that I would rather a complete outfit be released on the same day. It's kind of like having a brand new toy fire truck, but you have to wait week after week to get tires so you can play with it while it sits and taunts you. If you give us a truck and tires, we can be a lot more patient for the bells and whistles.

Please please put that new 3D designer of yours to work with furniture to complete this theme. I'd give my left leg to see some furniture for this come out in the next coming weeks.

Thanks Vikings!! I'm loving it so far!

I also agree that the same item different colors should all be the same price, whether yocash or coins.

I do not understand the complaining about making hairs and things coin instead of yc. Not everyone has the ability to purchase Yocash. It seams to be the ones with a lot of Yocash that are doing the complaining.
In an item is priced differently by color, wouldn't the Yocash color, being the least purchased, become a rare in the future? Like lime green pants are worth way more than blue ones?

Gothma (113969431) wrote:I do not understand the complaining about making hairs and things coin instead of yc. Not everyone has the ability to purchase Yocash. It seams to be the ones with a lot of Yocash that are doing the complaining.
In an item is priced differently by color, wouldn't the Yocash color, being the least purchased, become a rare in the future? Like lime green pants are worth way more than blue ones?

i am saying from a concern that BVG will not make back its investment. I want them to do well and be in the black, not the red. If there is no demand for the YC items, how can they make money? of course, i am just speculating from my comfy sofa and have no idea of the business practices involved... i just dont want BVG to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to please everyone. Plus, its only a rare if they decide to take it out of stores... We dont know how that will work yet.

Gothma (113969431) wrote:I do not understand the complaining about making hairs and things coin instead of yc. Not everyone has the ability to purchase Yocash. It seams to be the ones with a lot of Yocash that are doing the complaining.
In an item is priced differently by color, wouldn't the Yocash color, being the least purchased, become a rare in the future? Like lime green pants are worth way more than blue ones?

You are missing the point... of course players especially those who do not purchase YC would be thrilled by this new way of pricing things. BUT.... will it pay BVG's bills.

It is not really a complaint at all. LOL It is more of a concern that they are missing out on much needed money to keep the game running and improving.

An item becoming* rare has very little in fact no benefits for BVG.

Of course not everyone can afford to buy YC, which is exactly why they need to make the most of the areas and items that people who do buy YC, will continue to do so.

The other thing is that it affects the purchasing of YC not only for what players buy for personal use, but also the amount of YC they purchase in order to sell those items for coins.

Voldesnort (3054329) wrote:

Gothma (113969431) wrote:I do not understand the complaining about making hairs and things coin instead of yc. Not everyone has the ability to purchase Yocash. It seams to be the ones with a lot of Yocash that are doing the complaining.
In an item is priced differently by color, wouldn't the Yocash color, being the least purchased, become a rare in the future? Like lime green pants are worth way more than blue ones?

i am saying from a concern that BVG will not make back its investment. I want them to do well and be in the black, not the red. If there is no demand for the YC items, how can they make money? of course, i am just speculating from my comfy sofa and have no idea of the business practices involved... i just dont want BVG to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to please everyone. Plus, its only a rare if they decide to take it out of stores... We dont know how that will work yet.

Exactly! Having things that you know will be there and not on any type of timer also affects YC sales. No doubt it is convenient for players to know everything will stay. It is exactly why Z had all hairs on a short timer... they were huge money makers!!