I have never owned a cross, so my point of view is not coming from a loss of invested coins. I think this was a bad move. They said, if the item was officially released, it would not be re-released. I don't think that you can compare the cross to the menorah as some have done. I have played this game for awhile and while I did often see many crosses in the game, I did not see any menorahs until support was manipulated. There is no proof the menorah was ever released, but it is a fact that the cross was officially released.

There is a big difference in my opinion, between true unreleased items and items that were pulled from the game due to player complaints. I don't think the idea of "if it wasn't available to all players" is a good statement to make. I think that is a very slippery slope. I think this release does create cause for concern about other items that were officially released. The one thing I have liked all along about BVG is that they seem to be very upfront with their players/customers. We never had that with Z. I think there are some of us out here who value trust. This isn't as much about the item that was released, as it is about what they said, that kept getting revised as time went on. I had deja vu when the ninjas said 08 costumes would never be re-released, yet in 09, they were. I can't lie, that was what I thought when I heard the cross was re-released.

I can appreciate that BVG wants to level the playing field and I agree with that to a certain extent. The reality is though, no one in this game will ever be on the same level. We all play very differently. some only decorate and have no interest in the old, rare items. Some play to chase those elusive rares. When I started, I didn't expect to be able to own all the 08 items I missed. By the logic of "available to all players" it isn't that much of stretch to say then that pretty much covers all discontinued items, right? Now we are hearing a "large chunk of time" well, what about the one day or 3 day sale items.........those things are very rare to, due to the number of players who missed those themes. See how this is a slippery slope?

I think when BVG said, "if it was officially released it won't come back", they should have stuck to that. If there was any question as to the items official release or time in store, it should have been left alone. It isn't like there aren't many unreleased items to choose from. It is also possible for people to show some patience and wait for new content.

I understand why people are upset. Granted, there are some players who are upset their pixel empire was dealt a blow tonight, but there are also some players, who sold things they liked and saved to get the items that they made a goal to reach. For those players, I do feel really bad. It is real easy to sit back and laugh when you are not the one who saved and put in effort to get something, because you thought it was a rare item for your collection, only to see it made easily available to anyone willing to buy yocash.

I think some are being unnecessarily mean, and painting all who are not happy about this with the same broad brush. I understand why some no longer feel like BVG kept their word and I am happy for those who have always wanted a cross and can have one now. I just wish BVG would have created a different cross for those who wanted a religious symbol in the game. while still respecting the collectors. Just my opinion.

I was finally content with the answer "No Re-releases" when the last bout happened and Viking John addressed it again. As for the celtic cross and the urinal, I do believe this is a different situation here. They were released for a few hours to my understanding and snatched out because of people complaining. So not everyone had their chance to buy them. BVG made it clear that there would be no re-releases of items that everyone had a chance to buy. Not everyone had a chance to buy the cross or the urinal because of the time zones. I know people are upset but realize these items are different, and Viking John was just trying to reiterate what Gary originally said "if everyone had a chance to buy them they wouldn't be re-released". Of course I am happy that the cross is in stores, but I also feel that these items are different than many of the other items that were taken out of the store.

yes - the cross was available for a very very short time and pulled without warning. I didn't even have a chance to see or buy the item as I was asleep (I live in England) when the whole thing happened - though I was a very active player at the time.
This was not an item that everyone had a chance to buy and therefore I feel it cannot be compared to any item that was pulled with a timer.

I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

Somewhere, once upon a time, I remember reading that the only things that was truly safe from any re-release were only the "collectables" and that everything else can be fair game. Mind you this was when "that other company that shall not be named.." had the game. Still one has to always keep that in mind... always. Cause you can never be 100% sure of what may come next.

Thankfully BVG has been very seemingly upfront and open (for the most part) about how they plan on running this game and for this I'm grateful.

edited to add: excellent post. Your words are always spot on!

Rain (110294179) wrote:I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

You keep posting this but decent chunk of time is vague...and vague on purpose.

It's completely subjective.

To someone a week may not be a decent chunk of time, to others it could be an eternity.

Rain (110294179) wrote:I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

But it doesn't. What exactly is a "decent chunk of time?"

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:There is a big difference in my opinion, between true unreleased items and items that were pulled from the game due to player complaints. I don't think the idea of "if it wasn't available to all players" is a good statement to make. I think that is a very slippery slope. I think this release does create cause for concern about other items that were officially released. The one thing I have liked all along about BVG is that they seem to be very upfront with their players/customers. We never had that with Z. I think there are some of us out here who value trust. This isn't as much about the item that was released, as it is about what they said, that kept getting revised as time went on. I had deja vu when the ninjas said 08 costumes would never be re-released, yet in 09, they were. I can't lie, that was what I thought when I heard the cross was re-released.

Everything you said was spot on and eloquently stated. I feel there's a hypocrisy and it reeks like Z and the Ninjas pandering to the suck ups.

I am happy that many people got their Cross as they wanted, and totally agree that a slightly altered one would have been a better decision. BVG lost so much cred to me with this move. I'm not a collector. I'm actually a person who doesn't care if everything is re-released and put into a Zynga Stuff area of the store. This is more about the items that did leave the game without warning (YoDepot or House Windows from Yoville.com) will not be brought back by BVG.

Autumn Glory (105171200) wrote:

Rain (110294179) wrote:I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

But it doesn't. What exactly is a "decent chunk of time?"

That is my question.......that is a very vague response which leaves pretty much everything open to rerelease now.

Reese (151604175) wrote:Somewhere, once upon a time, I remember reading that the only things that was truly safe from any re-release were only the "collectables" and that everything else can be fair game. Mind you this was when "that other company that shall not be named.." had the game. Still one has to always keep that in mind... always. Cause you can never be 100% sure of what may come next.

Thankfully BVG has been very seemingly upfront and open (for the most part) about how they plan on running this game and for this I'm grateful.

edited to add: excellent post. Your words are always spot on!

I think some of the issue comes with the changing language.......and of course, people also remember how players were told one thing, but something else happened....I don't think you can really blame them for feeling a bit concerned about going down that road again.....

Chach (120138544) wrote:
That is my question.......that is a very vague response which leaves pretty much everything open to rerelease now.

Well I think it's safe to say a theme like, say, Zen won't be re-released as it was in store for over a year. But it doesn't clarify any of the weekend sales or the short released themes like fairytale fantasy as an example, that Z put in and pulled out...if those could be re-released.

Samberg (185737325) wrote:You keep posting this but decent chunk of time is vague...and vague on purpose.

It's completely subjective.

To someone a week may not be a decent chunk of time, to others it could be an eternity.

It's basic common sense, Samberg. I know you have some of that laying around. Now is the time to apply it.

Anyway good night.

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Chach (120138544) wrote:
That is my question.......that is a very vague response which leaves pretty much everything open to rerelease now.

Well I think it's safe to say a theme like, say, Zen won't be re-released as it was in store for over a year. But it doesn't clarify any of the weekend sales or the short released themes like fairytale fantasy as an example, that Z put in and pulled out...if those could be re-released.

You could be right.......it all depends on how they want to decide what a good chunk of time is. I hope they don't take that route but who knows anymore.

Nifty niffler (7573493) wrote:yes - the cross was available for a very very short time and pulled without warning. I didn't even have a chance to see or buy the item as I was asleep (I live in England) when the whole thing happened - though I was a very active player at the time.
This was not an item that everyone had a chance to buy and therefore I feel it cannot be compared to any item that was pulled with a timer.

Look at that! finally some logic. Well said!

Rain (110294179) wrote:I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

So, was Super Sat out for a 'decent chunk of time' or is that risky as well? Please sum it up for me, I am so confused.

So much about making new stuff, similar to rare ones so everybody can be happy.. They could have made a prettier cross, no matter how much time it would require and players would have been way satisfied.

Samberg (185737325) wrote:

Rain (110294179) wrote:I think this sums it up

Gary Stevenson wrote:We won't be re-releasing things that were available for a decent chunk of time, but the celtic cross etc are possible candidates for re-release due to their short time nature.

We're going as fast as we humanly can on bringing out new things for you, we sincerely appreciate your continued patience.

You keep posting this but decent chunk of time is vague...and vague on purpose.

It's completely subjective.

To someone a week may not be a decent chunk of time, to others it could be an eternity.

I was on the day the cross was released ... less then 20 min -

so the cross is no different then the menorah hat

and like that hat there are many 'lab created' version - I feel sorry, but very few were able to really buy the cross ... most are not from the release but made by hackers

Very well said AG.


And I'm getting sick of seeing Gary's post slapped on every thread. Make a contribution of thought instead of an ambiguous screen shot.

Lisbeth Salander (12865602) wrote:So, was Super Sat out for a 'decent chunk of time' or is that risky as well? Please sum it up for me, I am so confused.

So much about making new stuff, similar to rare ones so everybody can be happy.. They could have made a prettier cross, no matter how much time it would require and players would have been way satisfied.

Yes, because it was announced and well established in advance. There were no surprises there to anyone who logged on at least once every couple of weeks. That's a totally different scenario.

Sooz (112570178) wrote:Very well said AG.


And I'm getting sick of seeing Gary's post slapped on every thread. Make a contribution of thought instead of an ambiguous screen shot.

What I think that screen shot suggests is that we should expect things like the slayer tank, the milk and cookies, the cat clock, the valjean and the cluck tub to hit stores at some point.

Obviously others like Rain think it's just directly attributed to the cross.

It's all perspective.

Rain (110294179) wrote:

Samberg (185737325) wrote:You keep posting this but decent chunk of time is vague...and vague on purpose.

It's completely subjective.

To someone a week may not be a decent chunk of time, to others it could be an eternity.

It's basic common sense, Samberg. I know you have some of that laying around. Now is the time to apply it.

Anyway good night.

But it isn't just "basic common sense." I get that you want to support BVG and I have as well and have praised them a lot. At the same time, I don't think the vague statement is helpful. When we got Halloween 2012 items, there were a few things that were added right very close to the end of the theme...a couple days later the theme was closed. Was that a "decent enough chunk of time" for people to get those items? People were scrambling to find a yocash dealer so they wouldn't miss those items. Again, it is not as clear as you keep saying it is, and quite frankly a bit condescending saying it is "basic common sense" because others don't agree.