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Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:Very tricky you almost killed this thread but not today. The post is too long to quote and I'm on my phone typing from Puffin it's hard to scroll inside a text box, anyway... There are too many pros to having a self corrective behaviour system, reflecting back for lessons is good especially short term when you can still catch up and make the right decision. As far as how that group of people operate in my opinion is that the way events unfold inside their head forbids them from thinking outside the box even for their own good when you're prone to having your mind become a good soil to plant illogical tales and concepts your logic system shuts down because some aspects of faith rely on you defying what reality is.

I've switched to lappy just because of this to be honest, realized Puffin is also giving me hard time.
Like the men said, too much can't ever be good so a self corrective system is something you'd like to keep on a leash. Not saying that I'm unhappy because it's just how I perceive things, just that it can get out of hand quite easily. Tried to help many people through my kind of short lifespan and then realized they are just about yelling how they can't see a thing while keeping their eyes closed. Lost many friends because of saying that out loud (or didn't even have them, whole new kind of discussion can be made on that one) and it appears not many have this unique gift (or curse) to keep trying to change the world, disregarding the fact it's just too hopeless.
In the end, I always wonder what am I doing wrong and find nothing through debugging course.

In the words of Dr. Jordan Peterson during one of his open lectures in the University of Toronto, "Humans are ****** complex". And he is absolutely correct, Dr. Peterson knows more about human psychology than anyone else and there's literally no standard view or logic to many types of behavior especially the ones which happen in large groups, even since we started forming tribes, people got used to surrendering their minds to the 'leader' who knows best and thinks better, people now do the same way they give their thinking to their God.

Empathy is good but it leaves you open to being used, this is not breaking news to you I'm sure, the thing is Empathy is a natural trait which comes in different rates some people have it under control but those who don't are bound to suffer for the rest of their lives. The most cliche saying here is that if you can't change the world change how you see the world, and this part takes a lifetime to comprehend because the world is an illogical place and a pure mind free from culturally inherited beliefs and religious concepts needs logic to go on in life without stretching themselves to make another day pass by without bruises and wearing out their minds. So, sometimes the biggest curse comes in the form of a gift, some gifts can only be shared for a little while before you get tired and you wanna get rid of it but you just can't because you haven't figured out a different way to live yet.

There is a burning question that just popped in my head, did you ever get a hunch someone isn't a good person (let's put aside the fact that I'm not the one to judge someone)? Like, you didn't even need to hear them talk or take a look at their beliefs, it just came like a sudden random thought. Is that a matter of distorted instinct ("they could harm me/my feelings") or a whole new thing? Also, how surprising is this feeling of yours turning out to be true after all?

I believe humans are capable of so many things that it's sad to walk the charted paths of life, finishing school, finding a job and eventually maybe creating a family, all those without even trying to ponder who you are actually and why are you here.

My college major relies heavily on Physics and a lot of Math, so it's hard for me to believe in gut feeling as a form of reference or predicting the outcome of something on the verge of ending positively or negatively for the simple fact that many people make the wrong decisions trusting their gut feeling so this is not a reliable place to look for answers, I think hunch/instinct aren't all that different.

Humans are naturally protective of themselves our first impulse or response to a sudden unexpected encounter is how we can protect ourselves from it, if it's a person we look for ways to protect ourselves emotionally if it's a physical threat we look to protect ourselves physically. I don't believe someone is indefinitely bad or indefinitely good we're a mix of both at all times not just in phases because our perception of good and bad is subjective if it's our behavior or someone else's behavior. I feel like i drifted way off point, I hope not.

So does mine, and that's why I've been struggling with this question. I'm stuck in belief there is actually a connection to psychology on subatomic level and haven't been able to prove myself wrong or right. Might be the lack of knowledge, but I'm highly skeptic on that one, as there were situations I could've easily avoided if I simply paid attention to my gut. Truth is, we are all made out of atoms, various types of them, shaping our physical presence, and all our thoughts, emotions and other processes in our body are result of stimuli triggering chemical reaction or vice versa. Looking from given point, it's simply hard to believe it has absolutely nothing to do with (oversimplifying again) how our atoms interact with everything else. Break it down a bit more and that's the point where I'm losing it, but having a great hope for discovering what is this, causing variations in behavior and mindsets in general.

Oops that sort of sounded like evil geneticist, hope it's just my atoms being hyperactive.

I don't know your age (And you are in no way obligated to tell me) but I'm 20 now and to be truthful the first realization for me after two years in college is that no amount of knowledge or education can put you in a place where you have an understanding of key aspects of our existence or formation, I look a few years back now and realize how naive I was thinking at some point in college I will understand some key questions about us and the universe but sadly there are limits to what our minds can comprehend, just like our bodies are perfected to survive here on Earth but can't stand a chance on any other planet we know of so far, our mind is also limited or locked to a certain potential that we are not genetically modified to understand and work with it, maybe that's a good thing, after all, some answers may not be as fascinating as our imagination tells us they are or might be way bigger than what we could have ever imagined. All I know is our questions are bigger than us or our possibilities but in the search for answers we will never find we discovered great things along the way, if you notice many of our discoveries as a civilization happened by accident during a quest to create something completely different so who knows maybe we're asking the wrong questions or are overestimating our intelligence as humans.

You could easily assume I'm about the same age and you wouldn't be wrong at all. And yes, I never took college as a teacher for life, just like any form of education I received before it, and now let me ask you a question. Where's the limit of your mind? Tricky one, right? Want me to make it even worse, where is the limit of my mind? Or just take anyone else as example. Yes, according to physics there isn't a way to fit infinitely long strings of all existing data into finitely small storage space like our brains. Considering this, we've all been facing questions we couldn't answer - maybe at the time it was presented to us, maybe not even now, a basic example would be solving something like an integral equation. That was kind of rough the first time you've seen it, right? But let's say you know how to do it now, thanks to your calculus professor and your own dedication to learn it. That doesn't mean your professor is more intelligent or in possession of greater knowledge than you are, just means he owns a very special skill set and is way better in applying it. Now, we have millions and millions of people on earth - each having unique mindset and therefore, capable of obtaining a different skill set.
To say someone has somehow obtained a piece of information others don't have might at first seem like an odd idea, I mean how would that happen? Introducing scientists right now. They've been playing, speculating and experimenting for hundreds of years, discovering wonders and explaining how the world works. Again, silly idea, who says philosopher John Doe hasn't come to some very important conclusions considering mankind? Ah yes, philosophy isn't science and is altered by his own mindset, therefore considered unreliable.
Dropping a ball will always result in it falling down, no matter the size, weather, height, it will end up on the floor.
So why's there a chance that you may poke me and I'll laugh and poke you back, or you somehow made foolish decision to poke me while I haven't had my morning coffee or when the weather is off and earned yourself a casual smack with a pan?
Still thinking it has nothing to do with those tiny bits we are composed of and everything around them? I think the answer is just in front of us, we just have to ask ourselves the right question. In the end, understanding what is problem is the first step towards solution.

Education can round up your information old and new in a way which gives you a good grip on topics then go on from there to branch out ideas and new thoughts, there's no way humanity expired its potential but like I said earlier we may have overestimated our intelligence and started asking questions bigger than what we're capable of understanding. I never thought there will be a point where i'm content with what I know I always wanted to get down to the bottom of things but some answers may not be possible during our lifetime or any lifetime and that's a shame, I think people who signed out before us deserve to have known where things end, or we deserve to look up with more answers than questions and instead of existential questions we enjoy existing. It's a struggle for me to accept that there is a barrier to what we can achieve, maybe one day we'll land on a new moon not motivated by war and give space programs a bigger budget than we give arms, tanks, and warplanes.

There are too many things being answered in the way they end as we look for them in how they started, sometimes in theoretical physics, a physicists goes out of his way spending years of exploration and formulating his ideas to numbers and formulas only to find out he's been asking the wrong question the whole time. One of the best things I learned this year is Entropy, high and low Entropy and how atoms work I think this unlocked many questions and gave me ideas to ask for more. I answered a question on Quora in 2016 about the connection between depression and intelligence and used Einstein as an example along with other individuals who defined art and philosophy eras with their creativity, my writing discusses how intelligence can wear your mind out because you're wired to ask existential questions and unfortunately some answers are not within reach, this failure to acquire information to ease your mind can either humble you or drive you straight to depression, we have some choice there and have to make the best one for us.

Our minds are like trees. Nourish them, and you'll have a wonderful set of new ideas growing out with every branch.
Leaves are supposed to be answers, being at the end of our chains of ideas. So what happens with branch that failed to yield leaves? It starts drying, eventually falling off and never being replaced.
That's pretty much how our minds work too, we get idea, then proceed to shape it into "branch" by many what if's, and in the end, we come to a sort of conclusion. Or do we? The branch can stay there for decades without leaves, and innocent observer might say "Look, a dry branch", never knowing that it's actually alive and just snap it off. What is shown here is that if we fail to give up on ideas that produce no solutions, there is a great probability someone else will try to come and remove it. The said person can either succeed (if the branch was drier) or fail (if it was younger and thinner).
I have another wonderful example, there's been an enormous walnut tree growing in my backyard. It was getting bigger and bigger every year, eventually outgrowing our house and having a nice shade that was covering nearly a quarter of our lawn. What happened to it? Bark, its protective layer, cracked because of its rapid growth, resulting in parasites and illnesses finding its way into gentle tree pulp. Tree then started to wilt and collapsed about 3 years ago. We had plenty of firewood and all that remains is a massive stump we can't remove.
This illustration brings another type of outcome rather than just throwing our failed ideas away. Maybe, just maybe, it's no good to have too many ideas?

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:Very tricky you almost killed this thread but not today. The post is too long to quote and I'm on my phone typing from Puffin it's hard to scroll inside a text box, anyway... There are too many pros to having a self corrective behaviour system, reflecting back for lessons is good especially short term when you can still catch up and make the right decision. As far as how that group of people operate in my opinion is that the way events unfold inside their head forbids them from thinking outside the box even for their own good when you're prone to having your mind become a good soil to plant illogical tales and concepts your logic system shuts down because some aspects of faith rely on you defying what reality is.

I've switched to lappy just because of this to be honest, realized Puffin is also giving me hard time.
Like the men said, too much can't ever be good so a self corrective system is something you'd like to keep on a leash. Not saying that I'm unhappy because it's just how I perceive things, just that it can get out of hand quite easily. Tried to help many people through my kind of short lifespan and then realized they are just about yelling how they can't see a thing while keeping their eyes closed. Lost many friends because of saying that out loud (or didn't even have them, whole new kind of discussion can be made on that one) and it appears not many have this unique gift (or curse) to keep trying to change the world, disregarding the fact it's just too hopeless.
In the end, I always wonder what am I doing wrong and find nothing through debugging course.

In the words of Dr. Jordan Peterson during one of his open lectures in the University of Toronto, "Humans are ****** complex". And he is absolutely correct, Dr. Peterson knows more about human psychology than anyone else and there's literally no standard view or logic to many types of behavior especially the ones which happen in large groups, even since we started forming tribes, people got used to surrendering their minds to the 'leader' who knows best and thinks better, people now do the same way they give their thinking to their God.

Empathy is good but it leaves you open to being used, this is not breaking news to you I'm sure, the thing is Empathy is a natural trait which comes in different rates some people have it under control but those who don't are bound to suffer for the rest of their lives. The most cliche saying here is that if you can't change the world change how you see the world, and this part takes a lifetime to comprehend because the world is an illogical place and a pure mind free from culturally inherited beliefs and religious concepts needs logic to go on in life without stretching themselves to make another day pass by without bruises and wearing out their minds. So, sometimes the biggest curse comes in the form of a gift, some gifts can only be shared for a little while before you get tired and you wanna get rid of it but you just can't because you haven't figured out a different way to live yet.

There is a burning question that just popped in my head, did you ever get a hunch someone isn't a good person (let's put aside the fact that I'm not the one to judge someone)? Like, you didn't even need to hear them talk or take a look at their beliefs, it just came like a sudden random thought. Is that a matter of distorted instinct ("they could harm me/my feelings") or a whole new thing? Also, how surprising is this feeling of yours turning out to be true after all?

I believe humans are capable of so many things that it's sad to walk the charted paths of life, finishing school, finding a job and eventually maybe creating a family, all those without even trying to ponder who you are actually and why are you here.

My college major relies heavily on Physics and a lot of Math, so it's hard for me to believe in gut feeling as a form of reference or predicting the outcome of something on the verge of ending positively or negatively for the simple fact that many people make the wrong decisions trusting their gut feeling so this is not a reliable place to look for answers, I think hunch/instinct aren't all that different.

Humans are naturally protective of themselves our first impulse or response to a sudden unexpected encounter is how we can protect ourselves from it, if it's a person we look for ways to protect ourselves emotionally if it's a physical threat we look to protect ourselves physically. I don't believe someone is indefinitely bad or indefinitely good we're a mix of both at all times not just in phases because our perception of good and bad is subjective if it's our behavior or someone else's behavior. I feel like i drifted way off point, I hope not.

So does mine, and that's why I've been struggling with this question. I'm stuck in belief there is actually a connection to psychology on subatomic level and haven't been able to prove myself wrong or right. Might be the lack of knowledge, but I'm highly skeptic on that one, as there were situations I could've easily avoided if I simply paid attention to my gut. Truth is, we are all made out of atoms, various types of them, shaping our physical presence, and all our thoughts, emotions and other processes in our body are result of stimuli triggering chemical reaction or vice versa. Looking from given point, it's simply hard to believe it has absolutely nothing to do with (oversimplifying again) how our atoms interact with everything else. Break it down a bit more and that's the point where I'm losing it, but having a great hope for discovering what is this, causing variations in behavior and mindsets in general.

Oops that sort of sounded like evil geneticist, hope it's just my atoms being hyperactive.

I don't know your age (And you are in no way obligated to tell me) but I'm 20 now and to be truthful the first realization for me after two years in college is that no amount of knowledge or education can put you in a place where you have an understanding of key aspects of our existence or formation, I look a few years back now and realize how naive I was thinking at some point in college I will understand some key questions about us and the universe but sadly there are limits to what our minds can comprehend, just like our bodies are perfected to survive here on Earth but can't stand a chance on any other planet we know of so far, our mind is also limited or locked to a certain potential that we are not genetically modified to understand and work with it, maybe that's a good thing, after all, some answers may not be as fascinating as our imagination tells us they are or might be way bigger than what we could have ever imagined. All I know is our questions are bigger than us or our possibilities but in the search for answers we will never find we discovered great things along the way, if you notice many of our discoveries as a civilization happened by accident during a quest to create something completely different so who knows maybe we're asking the wrong questions or are overestimating our intelligence as humans.

You could easily assume I'm about the same age and you wouldn't be wrong at all. And yes, I never took college as a teacher for life, just like any form of education I received before it, and now let me ask you a question. Where's the limit of your mind? Tricky one, right? Want me to make it even worse, where is the limit of my mind? Or just take anyone else as example. Yes, according to physics there isn't a way to fit infinitely long strings of all existing data into finitely small storage space like our brains. Considering this, we've all been facing questions we couldn't answer - maybe at the time it was presented to us, maybe not even now, a basic example would be solving something like an integral equation. That was kind of rough the first time you've seen it, right? But let's say you know how to do it now, thanks to your calculus professor and your own dedication to learn it. That doesn't mean your professor is more intelligent or in possession of greater knowledge than you are, just means he owns a very special skill set and is way better in applying it. Now, we have millions and millions of people on earth - each having unique mindset and therefore, capable of obtaining a different skill set.
To say someone has somehow obtained a piece of information others don't have might at first seem like an odd idea, I mean how would that happen? Introducing scientists right now. They've been playing, speculating and experimenting for hundreds of years, discovering wonders and explaining how the world works. Again, silly idea, who says philosopher John Doe hasn't come to some very important conclusions considering mankind? Ah yes, philosophy isn't science and is altered by his own mindset, therefore considered unreliable.
Dropping a ball will always result in it falling down, no matter the size, weather, height, it will end up on the floor.
So why's there a chance that you may poke me and I'll laugh and poke you back, or you somehow made foolish decision to poke me while I haven't had my morning coffee or when the weather is off and earned yourself a casual smack with a pan?
Still thinking it has nothing to do with those tiny bits we are composed of and everything around them? I think the answer is just in front of us, we just have to ask ourselves the right question. In the end, understanding what is problem is the first step towards solution.

Education can round up your information old and new in a way which gives you a good grip on topics then go on from there to branch out ideas and new thoughts, there's no way humanity expired its potential but like I said earlier we may have overestimated our intelligence and started asking questions bigger than what we're capable of understanding. I never thought there will be a point where i'm content with what I know I always wanted to get down to the bottom of things but some answers may not be possible during our lifetime or any lifetime and that's a shame, I think people who signed out before us deserve to have known where things end, or we deserve to look up with more answers than questions and instead of existential questions we enjoy existing. It's a struggle for me to accept that there is a barrier to what we can achieve, maybe one day we'll land on a new moon not motivated by war and give space programs a bigger budget than we give arms, tanks, and warplanes.

There are too many things being answered in the way they end as we look for them in how they started, sometimes in theoretical physics, a physicists goes out of his way spending years of exploration and formulating his ideas to numbers and formulas only to find out he's been asking the wrong question the whole time. One of the best things I learned this year is Entropy, high and low Entropy and how atoms work I think this unlocked many questions and gave me ideas to ask for more. I answered a question on Quora in 2016 about the connection between depression and intelligence and used Einstein as an example along with other individuals who defined art and philosophy eras with their creativity, my writing discusses how intelligence can wear your mind out because you're wired to ask existential questions and unfortunately some answers are not within reach, this failure to acquire information to ease your mind can either humble you or drive you straight to depression, we have some choice there and have to make the best one for us.

Our minds are like trees. Nourish them, and you'll have a wonderful set of new ideas growing out with every branch.
Leaves are supposed to be answers, being at the end of our chains of ideas. So what happens with branch that failed to yield leaves? It starts drying, eventually falling off and never being replaced.
That's pretty much how our minds work too, we get idea, then proceed to shape it into "branch" by many what if's, and in the end, we come to a sort of conclusion. Or do we? The branch can stay there for decades without leaves, and innocent observer might say "Look, a dry branch", never knowing that it's actually alive and just snap it off. What is shown here is that if we fail to give up on ideas that produce no solutions, there is a great probability someone else will try to come and remove it. The said person can either succeed (if the branch was drier) or fail (if it was younger and thinner).
I have another wonderful example, there's been an enormous walnut tree growing in my backyard. It was getting bigger and bigger every year, eventually outgrowing our house and having a nice shade that was covering nearly a quarter of our lawn. What happened to it? Bark, its protective layer, cracked because of its rapid growth, resulting in parasites and illnesses finding its way into gentle tree pulp. Tree then started to wilt and collapsed about 3 years ago. We had plenty of firewood and all that remains is a massive stump we can't remove.
This illustration brings another type of outcome rather than just throwing our failed ideas away. Maybe, just maybe, it's no good to have too many ideas?

Philosophical views can be so romanticized at times but essential to create an alternate reality and see life from a personal perceptive than consumed tired inherited ideas and beliefs, I love the tree example but drifting into a world of your own is so risky because reality is everywhere waiting to give you a beating for daring to cheat and create your own place.

I think we're programmed to look for the beginning of things and how they end in the search for answers that's why I mentioned Entropy earlier, Entropy is the mechanical binary clock and motion map of everything, I tell people I'm close to all the time to learn about Entropy because that's something that can make you go huh.. I get it now. Entropy is so difficult to wrap your head around it literally took me 3 months to get a clue and still don't quite get it, Entropy teaches us that nothing is what it seems, when you wrap your head around that you sink into the Entropy of nothingness or 0 Entropy and that's when your mind starts to boil and blow because there's nothing beyond that where our mind can explore or even theorize that even nothingness has something beyond it, If you don't have a headache by now I do, but this is a great discussion, i usually have these long talks with my best friend from here "Stardust" she's a genius in her own right, i'm sure she'll post here when she is back from vacation in the next few days.

Are you guys racing to see who will kill this thread? LOL I'm being silly, but I have enjoyed your back and forth.

Part of the reason why I believe the things I do now relates specifically to the atomic and subatomic consistency of atoms within our makeup and the inconsistency this makeup has in what I'll call our "personalities". Given the way science works, if I have 4 identical twins and I raise them all exactly the same way, expose them to the exact same things at the exact same times, teach them the same, feed them the same, and do everything identically, based on every theory out there all 4 of these individuals should think and feel identically about everything. But we know this not to be true. They each develop unique identities regardless as to how consistently we raise them - and they shared identical DNA at the time of their creation.

Now granted there are atomic differences in the consistency of that DNA, so by virtue of that fact there will always be a difference on some level. But my point here is that there is something that creates personality and intelligence. And even when all controllable factors remain constant between 2 individuals, these characteristics develop independently. So now the question is obviously - Why?

Every psychological or scientific study I've read in this arena has been seriously flawed, incomplete, proven wrong, holds ends based conclusions, and is generally unreliable. Hell, half the findings take more faith to believe than a creator. They might as well just have written "It is magic". Because the truth is they don't know, their science failed them, and their egos won't allow them to say that.

So why do we all develop into whoever we are? Why is our species so different from the rest? Why don't we ever find another species "adapting" their intelligence and/or emotional capacity to evolve to our level? Why is this obvious flaw in the science dismissed with unreasonable theories by so many so called "intelligent" people? Why don't they like talking about this? Why does it threaten them? It seems a fair enough topic to dive into.

*sigh* I don't like people who avoid truth and instead prefer to lie to themselves to make how they want things to be to feel more true. They lead people astray and that burns me up.

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TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

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Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:Very tricky you almost killed this thread but not today. The post is too long to quote and I'm on my phone typing from Puffin it's hard to scroll inside a text box, anyway... There are too many pros to having a self corrective behaviour system, reflecting back for lessons is good especially short term when you can still catch up and make the right decision. As far as how that group of people operate in my opinion is that the way events unfold inside their head forbids them from thinking outside the box even for their own good when you're prone to having your mind become a good soil to plant illogical tales and concepts your logic system shuts down because some aspects of faith rely on you defying what reality is.

I've switched to lappy just because of this to be honest, realized Puffin is also giving me hard time.
Like the men said, too much can't ever be good so a self corrective system is something you'd like to keep on a leash. Not saying that I'm unhappy because it's just how I perceive things, just that it can get out of hand quite easily. Tried to help many people through my kind of short lifespan and then realized they are just about yelling how they can't see a thing while keeping their eyes closed. Lost many friends because of saying that out loud (or didn't even have them, whole new kind of discussion can be made on that one) and it appears not many have this unique gift (or curse) to keep trying to change the world, disregarding the fact it's just too hopeless.
In the end, I always wonder what am I doing wrong and find nothing through debugging course.

In the words of Dr. Jordan Peterson during one of his open lectures in the University of Toronto, "Humans are ****** complex". And he is absolutely correct, Dr. Peterson knows more about human psychology than anyone else and there's literally no standard view or logic to many types of behavior especially the ones which happen in large groups, even since we started forming tribes, people got used to surrendering their minds to the 'leader' who knows best and thinks better, people now do the same way they give their thinking to their God.

Empathy is good but it leaves you open to being used, this is not breaking news to you I'm sure, the thing is Empathy is a natural trait which comes in different rates some people have it under control but those who don't are bound to suffer for the rest of their lives. The most cliche saying here is that if you can't change the world change how you see the world, and this part takes a lifetime to comprehend because the world is an illogical place and a pure mind free from culturally inherited beliefs and religious concepts needs logic to go on in life without stretching themselves to make another day pass by without bruises and wearing out their minds. So, sometimes the biggest curse comes in the form of a gift, some gifts can only be shared for a little while before you get tired and you wanna get rid of it but you just can't because you haven't figured out a different way to live yet.

There is a burning question that just popped in my head, did you ever get a hunch someone isn't a good person (let's put aside the fact that I'm not the one to judge someone)? Like, you didn't even need to hear them talk or take a look at their beliefs, it just came like a sudden random thought. Is that a matter of distorted instinct ("they could harm me/my feelings") or a whole new thing? Also, how surprising is this feeling of yours turning out to be true after all?

I believe humans are capable of so many things that it's sad to walk the charted paths of life, finishing school, finding a job and eventually maybe creating a family, all those without even trying to ponder who you are actually and why are you here.

My college major relies heavily on Physics and a lot of Math, so it's hard for me to believe in gut feeling as a form of reference or predicting the outcome of something on the verge of ending positively or negatively for the simple fact that many people make the wrong decisions trusting their gut feeling so this is not a reliable place to look for answers, I think hunch/instinct aren't all that different.

Humans are naturally protective of themselves our first impulse or response to a sudden unexpected encounter is how we can protect ourselves from it, if it's a person we look for ways to protect ourselves emotionally if it's a physical threat we look to protect ourselves physically. I don't believe someone is indefinitely bad or indefinitely good we're a mix of both at all times not just in phases because our perception of good and bad is subjective if it's our behavior or someone else's behavior. I feel like i drifted way off point, I hope not.

So does mine, and that's why I've been struggling with this question. I'm stuck in belief there is actually a connection to psychology on subatomic level and haven't been able to prove myself wrong or right. Might be the lack of knowledge, but I'm highly skeptic on that one, as there were situations I could've easily avoided if I simply paid attention to my gut. Truth is, we are all made out of atoms, various types of them, shaping our physical presence, and all our thoughts, emotions and other processes in our body are result of stimuli triggering chemical reaction or vice versa. Looking from given point, it's simply hard to believe it has absolutely nothing to do with (oversimplifying again) how our atoms interact with everything else. Break it down a bit more and that's the point where I'm losing it, but having a great hope for discovering what is this, causing variations in behavior and mindsets in general.

Oops that sort of sounded like evil geneticist, hope it's just my atoms being hyperactive.

I don't know your age (And you are in no way obligated to tell me) but I'm 20 now and to be truthful the first realization for me after two years in college is that no amount of knowledge or education can put you in a place where you have an understanding of key aspects of our existence or formation, I look a few years back now and realize how naive I was thinking at some point in college I will understand some key questions about us and the universe but sadly there are limits to what our minds can comprehend, just like our bodies are perfected to survive here on Earth but can't stand a chance on any other planet we know of so far, our mind is also limited or locked to a certain potential that we are not genetically modified to understand and work with it, maybe that's a good thing, after all, some answers may not be as fascinating as our imagination tells us they are or might be way bigger than what we could have ever imagined. All I know is our questions are bigger than us or our possibilities but in the search for answers we will never find we discovered great things along the way, if you notice many of our discoveries as a civilization happened by accident during a quest to create something completely different so who knows maybe we're asking the wrong questions or are overestimating our intelligence as humans.

You could easily assume I'm about the same age and you wouldn't be wrong at all. And yes, I never took college as a teacher for life, just like any form of education I received before it, and now let me ask you a question. Where's the limit of your mind? Tricky one, right? Want me to make it even worse, where is the limit of my mind? Or just take anyone else as example. Yes, according to physics there isn't a way to fit infinitely long strings of all existing data into finitely small storage space like our brains. Considering this, we've all been facing questions we couldn't answer - maybe at the time it was presented to us, maybe not even now, a basic example would be solving something like an integral equation. That was kind of rough the first time you've seen it, right? But let's say you know how to do it now, thanks to your calculus professor and your own dedication to learn it. That doesn't mean your professor is more intelligent or in possession of greater knowledge than you are, just means he owns a very special skill set and is way better in applying it. Now, we have millions and millions of people on earth - each having unique mindset and therefore, capable of obtaining a different skill set.
To say someone has somehow obtained a piece of information others don't have might at first seem like an odd idea, I mean how would that happen? Introducing scientists right now. They've been playing, speculating and experimenting for hundreds of years, discovering wonders and explaining how the world works. Again, silly idea, who says philosopher John Doe hasn't come to some very important conclusions considering mankind? Ah yes, philosophy isn't science and is altered by his own mindset, therefore considered unreliable.
Dropping a ball will always result in it falling down, no matter the size, weather, height, it will end up on the floor.
So why's there a chance that you may poke me and I'll laugh and poke you back, or you somehow made foolish decision to poke me while I haven't had my morning coffee or when the weather is off and earned yourself a casual smack with a pan?
Still thinking it has nothing to do with those tiny bits we are composed of and everything around them? I think the answer is just in front of us, we just have to ask ourselves the right question. In the end, understanding what is problem is the first step towards solution.

Education can round up your information old and new in a way which gives you a good grip on topics then go on from there to branch out ideas and new thoughts, there's no way humanity expired its potential but like I said earlier we may have overestimated our intelligence and started asking questions bigger than what we're capable of understanding. I never thought there will be a point where i'm content with what I know I always wanted to get down to the bottom of things but some answers may not be possible during our lifetime or any lifetime and that's a shame, I think people who signed out before us deserve to have known where things end, or we deserve to look up with more answers than questions and instead of existential questions we enjoy existing. It's a struggle for me to accept that there is a barrier to what we can achieve, maybe one day we'll land on a new moon not motivated by war and give space programs a bigger budget than we give arms, tanks, and warplanes.

There are too many things being answered in the way they end as we look for them in how they started, sometimes in theoretical physics, a physicists goes out of his way spending years of exploration and formulating his ideas to numbers and formulas only to find out he's been asking the wrong question the whole time. One of the best things I learned this year is Entropy, high and low Entropy and how atoms work I think this unlocked many questions and gave me ideas to ask for more. I answered a question on Quora in 2016 about the connection between depression and intelligence and used Einstein as an example along with other individuals who defined art and philosophy eras with their creativity, my writing discusses how intelligence can wear your mind out because you're wired to ask existential questions and unfortunately some answers are not within reach, this failure to acquire information to ease your mind can either humble you or drive you straight to depression, we have some choice there and have to make the best one for us.

Our minds are like trees. Nourish them, and you'll have a wonderful set of new ideas growing out with every branch.
Leaves are supposed to be answers, being at the end of our chains of ideas. So what happens with branch that failed to yield leaves? It starts drying, eventually falling off and never being replaced.
That's pretty much how our minds work too, we get idea, then proceed to shape it into "branch" by many what if's, and in the end, we come to a sort of conclusion. Or do we? The branch can stay there for decades without leaves, and innocent observer might say "Look, a dry branch", never knowing that it's actually alive and just snap it off. What is shown here is that if we fail to give up on ideas that produce no solutions, there is a great probability someone else will try to come and remove it. The said person can either succeed (if the branch was drier) or fail (if it was younger and thinner).
I have another wonderful example, there's been an enormous walnut tree growing in my backyard. It was getting bigger and bigger every year, eventually outgrowing our house and having a nice shade that was covering nearly a quarter of our lawn. What happened to it? Bark, its protective layer, cracked because of its rapid growth, resulting in parasites and illnesses finding its way into gentle tree pulp. Tree then started to wilt and collapsed about 3 years ago. We had plenty of firewood and all that remains is a massive stump we can't remove.
This illustration brings another type of outcome rather than just throwing our failed ideas away. Maybe, just maybe, it's no good to have too many ideas?

Philosophical views can be so romanticized at times but essential to create an alternate reality and see life from a personal perceptive than consumed tired inherited ideas and beliefs, I love the tree example but drifting into a world of your own is so risky because reality is everywhere waiting to give you a beating for daring to cheat and create your own place.

I think we're programmed to look for the beginning of things and how they end in the search for answers that's why I mentioned Entropy earlier, Entropy is the mechanical binary clock and motion map of everything, I tell people I'm close to all the time to learn about Entropy because that's something that can make you go huh.. I get it now. Entropy is so difficult to wrap your head around it literally took me 3 months to get a clue and still don't quite get it, Entropy teaches us that nothing is what it seems, when you wrap your head around that you sink into the Entropy of nothingness or 0 Entropy and that's when your mind starts to boil and blow because there's nothing beyond that where our mind can explore or even theorize that even nothingness has something beyond it, If you don't have a headache by now I do, but this is a great discussion, i usually have these long talks with my best friend from here "Stardust" she's a genius in her own right, i'm sure she'll post here when she is back from vacation in the next few days.

I've just briefly learnt about it, only in thermodynamics lessons, but also haven't had time to do any of research "for myself" as I've failed few courses in a very lame way and now I'm stuck with coding algorithms, processor architectures and a lot of basic math (I'm just very lazy for theoretical analysis and practising how to solve the abstract, nonsense tasks), but extremely excited about next semesters' physics, shame I can't take up both courses because one is dealing with nuclear physics, and other one with quantum mechanics (cool stuff, no matter what you choose). Hope that the worst part is over when I pass all the exams I have left, and I'll have more time to read about interesting things.

I'm at one of the best colleges in whole region but still, 1st year is nothing more than huge test for your nerves. Things you'd learn often greatly outnumber things you'll actually use later on. I'm supposed to major in electronics when I finish it, so why on earth would I learn about data structures, assembler language and oof my head hurts materia. Yes, fight me on the topic "You never know when will something you learn come in handy" but I'm sure my interests are pretty much in less abstract area than computing.

OT rant, sorry.

OnT: I'm kind of grieving already for all the moments in my life I haven't spend on reading about things. This whole conversation is mostly built on things I somehow succeeded to notice and remake into ideas of how the world works. You've probably realized I'm kind of inferior in terms of classic book knowledge compared to you by far. Another reason, English is not my native language and when preparing to read about something, I have to spend at least as much time as it takes me to read on looking for unknown phrases and words. Not saying that it's not translated or written differently in my language, but to quote my witty friend studying history of art: "You can never experience true beauty of art until you are looking at it through the eyes of creator." She's been learning ancient Greek just to be able to read poems from that time and she's absolutely right, with every translation a part of beauty and complexity is lost. One of the main reasons why I enjoy talking to people both in game and on forums is that I occasionally need to open spell-checker or dictionary in the background, meaning I got to learn something new.

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Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:Very tricky you almost killed this thread but not today. The post is too long to quote and I'm on my phone typing from Puffin it's hard to scroll inside a text box, anyway... There are too many pros to having a self corrective behaviour system, reflecting back for lessons is good especially short term when you can still catch up and make the right decision. As far as how that group of people operate in my opinion is that the way events unfold inside their head forbids them from thinking outside the box even for their own good when you're prone to having your mind become a good soil to plant illogical tales and concepts your logic system shuts down because some aspects of faith rely on you defying what reality is.

I've switched to lappy just because of this to be honest, realized Puffin is also giving me hard time.
Like the men said, too much can't ever be good so a self corrective system is something you'd like to keep on a leash. Not saying that I'm unhappy because it's just how I perceive things, just that it can get out of hand quite easily. Tried to help many people through my kind of short lifespan and then realized they are just about yelling how they can't see a thing while keeping their eyes closed. Lost many friends because of saying that out loud (or didn't even have them, whole new kind of discussion can be made on that one) and it appears not many have this unique gift (or curse) to keep trying to change the world, disregarding the fact it's just too hopeless.
In the end, I always wonder what am I doing wrong and find nothing through debugging course.

In the words of Dr. Jordan Peterson during one of his open lectures in the University of Toronto, "Humans are ****** complex". And he is absolutely correct, Dr. Peterson knows more about human psychology than anyone else and there's literally no standard view or logic to many types of behavior especially the ones which happen in large groups, even since we started forming tribes, people got used to surrendering their minds to the 'leader' who knows best and thinks better, people now do the same way they give their thinking to their God.

Empathy is good but it leaves you open to being used, this is not breaking news to you I'm sure, the thing is Empathy is a natural trait which comes in different rates some people have it under control but those who don't are bound to suffer for the rest of their lives. The most cliche saying here is that if you can't change the world change how you see the world, and this part takes a lifetime to comprehend because the world is an illogical place and a pure mind free from culturally inherited beliefs and religious concepts needs logic to go on in life without stretching themselves to make another day pass by without bruises and wearing out their minds. So, sometimes the biggest curse comes in the form of a gift, some gifts can only be shared for a little while before you get tired and you wanna get rid of it but you just can't because you haven't figured out a different way to live yet.

There is a burning question that just popped in my head, did you ever get a hunch someone isn't a good person (let's put aside the fact that I'm not the one to judge someone)? Like, you didn't even need to hear them talk or take a look at their beliefs, it just came like a sudden random thought. Is that a matter of distorted instinct ("they could harm me/my feelings") or a whole new thing? Also, how surprising is this feeling of yours turning out to be true after all?

I believe humans are capable of so many things that it's sad to walk the charted paths of life, finishing school, finding a job and eventually maybe creating a family, all those without even trying to ponder who you are actually and why are you here.

My college major relies heavily on Physics and a lot of Math, so it's hard for me to believe in gut feeling as a form of reference or predicting the outcome of something on the verge of ending positively or negatively for the simple fact that many people make the wrong decisions trusting their gut feeling so this is not a reliable place to look for answers, I think hunch/instinct aren't all that different.

Humans are naturally protective of themselves our first impulse or response to a sudden unexpected encounter is how we can protect ourselves from it, if it's a person we look for ways to protect ourselves emotionally if it's a physical threat we look to protect ourselves physically. I don't believe someone is indefinitely bad or indefinitely good we're a mix of both at all times not just in phases because our perception of good and bad is subjective if it's our behavior or someone else's behavior. I feel like i drifted way off point, I hope not.

So does mine, and that's why I've been struggling with this question. I'm stuck in belief there is actually a connection to psychology on subatomic level and haven't been able to prove myself wrong or right. Might be the lack of knowledge, but I'm highly skeptic on that one, as there were situations I could've easily avoided if I simply paid attention to my gut. Truth is, we are all made out of atoms, various types of them, shaping our physical presence, and all our thoughts, emotions and other processes in our body are result of stimuli triggering chemical reaction or vice versa. Looking from given point, it's simply hard to believe it has absolutely nothing to do with (oversimplifying again) how our atoms interact with everything else. Break it down a bit more and that's the point where I'm losing it, but having a great hope for discovering what is this, causing variations in behavior and mindsets in general.

Oops that sort of sounded like evil geneticist, hope it's just my atoms being hyperactive.

I don't know your age (And you are in no way obligated to tell me) but I'm 20 now and to be truthful the first realization for me after two years in college is that no amount of knowledge or education can put you in a place where you have an understanding of key aspects of our existence or formation, I look a few years back now and realize how naive I was thinking at some point in college I will understand some key questions about us and the universe but sadly there are limits to what our minds can comprehend, just like our bodies are perfected to survive here on Earth but can't stand a chance on any other planet we know of so far, our mind is also limited or locked to a certain potential that we are not genetically modified to understand and work with it, maybe that's a good thing, after all, some answers may not be as fascinating as our imagination tells us they are or might be way bigger than what we could have ever imagined. All I know is our questions are bigger than us or our possibilities but in the search for answers we will never find we discovered great things along the way, if you notice many of our discoveries as a civilization happened by accident during a quest to create something completely different so who knows maybe we're asking the wrong questions or are overestimating our intelligence as humans.

You could easily assume I'm about the same age and you wouldn't be wrong at all. And yes, I never took college as a teacher for life, just like any form of education I received before it, and now let me ask you a question. Where's the limit of your mind? Tricky one, right? Want me to make it even worse, where is the limit of my mind? Or just take anyone else as example. Yes, according to physics there isn't a way to fit infinitely long strings of all existing data into finitely small storage space like our brains. Considering this, we've all been facing questions we couldn't answer - maybe at the time it was presented to us, maybe not even now, a basic example would be solving something like an integral equation. That was kind of rough the first time you've seen it, right? But let's say you know how to do it now, thanks to your calculus professor and your own dedication to learn it. That doesn't mean your professor is more intelligent or in possession of greater knowledge than you are, just means he owns a very special skill set and is way better in applying it. Now, we have millions and millions of people on earth - each having unique mindset and therefore, capable of obtaining a different skill set.
To say someone has somehow obtained a piece of information others don't have might at first seem like an odd idea, I mean how would that happen? Introducing scientists right now. They've been playing, speculating and experimenting for hundreds of years, discovering wonders and explaining how the world works. Again, silly idea, who says philosopher John Doe hasn't come to some very important conclusions considering mankind? Ah yes, philosophy isn't science and is altered by his own mindset, therefore considered unreliable.
Dropping a ball will always result in it falling down, no matter the size, weather, height, it will end up on the floor.
So why's there a chance that you may poke me and I'll laugh and poke you back, or you somehow made foolish decision to poke me while I haven't had my morning coffee or when the weather is off and earned yourself a casual smack with a pan?
Still thinking it has nothing to do with those tiny bits we are composed of and everything around them? I think the answer is just in front of us, we just have to ask ourselves the right question. In the end, understanding what is problem is the first step towards solution.

Education can round up your information old and new in a way which gives you a good grip on topics then go on from there to branch out ideas and new thoughts, there's no way humanity expired its potential but like I said earlier we may have overestimated our intelligence and started asking questions bigger than what we're capable of understanding. I never thought there will be a point where i'm content with what I know I always wanted to get down to the bottom of things but some answers may not be possible during our lifetime or any lifetime and that's a shame, I think people who signed out before us deserve to have known where things end, or we deserve to look up with more answers than questions and instead of existential questions we enjoy existing. It's a struggle for me to accept that there is a barrier to what we can achieve, maybe one day we'll land on a new moon not motivated by war and give space programs a bigger budget than we give arms, tanks, and warplanes.

There are too many things being answered in the way they end as we look for them in how they started, sometimes in theoretical physics, a physicists goes out of his way spending years of exploration and formulating his ideas to numbers and formulas only to find out he's been asking the wrong question the whole time. One of the best things I learned this year is Entropy, high and low Entropy and how atoms work I think this unlocked many questions and gave me ideas to ask for more. I answered a question on Quora in 2016 about the connection between depression and intelligence and used Einstein as an example along with other individuals who defined art and philosophy eras with their creativity, my writing discusses how intelligence can wear your mind out because you're wired to ask existential questions and unfortunately some answers are not within reach, this failure to acquire information to ease your mind can either humble you or drive you straight to depression, we have some choice there and have to make the best one for us.

Our minds are like trees. Nourish them, and you'll have a wonderful set of new ideas growing out with every branch.
Leaves are supposed to be answers, being at the end of our chains of ideas. So what happens with branch that failed to yield leaves? It starts drying, eventually falling off and never being replaced.
That's pretty much how our minds work too, we get idea, then proceed to shape it into "branch" by many what if's, and in the end, we come to a sort of conclusion. Or do we? The branch can stay there for decades without leaves, and innocent observer might say "Look, a dry branch", never knowing that it's actually alive and just snap it off. What is shown here is that if we fail to give up on ideas that produce no solutions, there is a great probability someone else will try to come and remove it. The said person can either succeed (if the branch was drier) or fail (if it was younger and thinner).
I have another wonderful example, there's been an enormous walnut tree growing in my backyard. It was getting bigger and bigger every year, eventually outgrowing our house and having a nice shade that was covering nearly a quarter of our lawn. What happened to it? Bark, its protective layer, cracked because of its rapid growth, resulting in parasites and illnesses finding its way into gentle tree pulp. Tree then started to wilt and collapsed about 3 years ago. We had plenty of firewood and all that remains is a massive stump we can't remove.
This illustration brings another type of outcome rather than just throwing our failed ideas away. Maybe, just maybe, it's no good to have too many ideas?

Philosophical views can be so romanticized at times but essential to create an alternate reality and see life from a personal perceptive than consumed tired inherited ideas and beliefs, I love the tree example but drifting into a world of your own is so risky because reality is everywhere waiting to give you a beating for daring to cheat and create your own place.

I think we're programmed to look for the beginning of things and how they end in the search for answers that's why I mentioned Entropy earlier, Entropy is the mechanical binary clock and motion map of everything, I tell people I'm close to all the time to learn about Entropy because that's something that can make you go huh.. I get it now. Entropy is so difficult to wrap your head around it literally took me 3 months to get a clue and still don't quite get it, Entropy teaches us that nothing is what it seems, when you wrap your head around that you sink into the Entropy of nothingness or 0 Entropy and that's when your mind starts to boil and blow because there's nothing beyond that where our mind can explore or even theorize that even nothingness has something beyond it, If you don't have a headache by now I do, but this is a great discussion, i usually have these long talks with my best friend from here "Stardust" she's a genius in her own right, i'm sure she'll post here when she is back from vacation in the next few days.

I've just briefly learnt about it, only in thermodynamics lessons, but also haven't had time to do any of research "for myself" as I've failed few courses in a very lame way and now I'm stuck with coding algorithms, processor architectures and a lot of basic math (I'm just very lazy for theoretical analysis and practising how to solve the abstract, nonsense tasks), but extremely excited about next semesters' physics, shame I can't take up both courses because one is dealing with nuclear physics, and other one with quantum mechanics (cool stuff, no matter what you choose). Hope that the worst part is over when I pass all the exams I have left, and I'll have more time to read about interesting things.

I'm at one of the best colleges in whole region but still, 1st year is nothing more than huge test for your nerves. Things you'd learn often greatly outnumber things you'll actually use later on. I'm supposed to major in electronics when I finish it, so why on earth would I learn about data structures, assembler language and oof my head hurts materia. Yes, fight me on the topic "You never know when will something you learn come in handy" but I'm sure my interests are pretty much in less abstract area than computing.

OT rant, sorry.

OnT: I'm kind of grieving already for all the moments in my life I haven't spend on reading about things. This whole conversation is mostly built on things I somehow succeeded to notice and remake into ideas of how the world works. You've probably realized I'm kind of inferior in terms of classic book knowledge compared to you by far. Another reason, English is not my native language and when preparing to read about something, I have to spend at least as much time as it takes me to read on looking for unknown phrases and words. Not saying that it's not translated or written differently in my language, but to quote my witty friend studying history of art: "You can never experience true beauty of art until you are looking at it through the eyes of creator." She's been learning ancient Greek just to be able to read poems from that time and she's absolutely right, with every translation a part of beauty and complexity is lost. One of the main reasons why I enjoy talking to people both in game and on forums is that I occasionally need to open spell-checker or dictionary in the background, meaning I got to learn something new.

Ok i'm waiting for lunch so I'll respond although I prefer intelligent convos to happen at night when it's quieter.
I would have never guessed that English is not your native language, you're doing fine! I prefer simple English when discussing things I admire knowledge of complex words but I don't endorse using them as a way to stand out in a discussion or argument, you can get your thoughts across just fine using simple common words unless the content is scientific and it's hard to find alternative words.

Everything we know is a build up on bases formed by former thoughts and concepts so the idea of branching ideas is correct, at some point Steve Jobs when discussing innovation said "Good artists copy; great artists steal." which was originally said by Pablo Picasso. As a civilization, we have been improving and improvising since we built the first shelter and lit the first fire, this is a beautiful view on the act of collective progress towards more comfortable living conditions. The essence of life is what we make of it not what we're told it is, there's not one person who holds the keys of understanding life and as years go by i'm realizing I don't even have to understand life in order to be happy, there's this feeling of withdrawal and defeat that still lingers but i think we're fighting a lost battle trying to find sense on our way to understand something as significant as life.

I always believe that you don't need a college degree or specific major to theorize the universe from your own point of view, that's why I like to use Giordano Bruno as an example, if you put him face to face with an Astrophysicists and make them debate our place in the universe he'd be roasted in minutes and yet during his time he made a discovery which needs the brain power of a 100 Astronomy degrees qualifications, but to keep this connected to your chain of ideas and thoughts branching out Bruno's discovery happened around 1635 or so, long after Nicolaus Cusanus the German philosopher talked about the "Infinity of God" and the infinity of the Universe from a Philosophy point of view around the year 1430 (The years may be slightly off) but I'm gonna use them just for sake of noticing the time it took for someone to pick up an idea then take it elsewhere.

Rod (126579776) wrote:Are you guys racing to see who will kill this thread? LOL I'm being silly, but I have enjoyed your back and forth.

Part of the reason why I believe the things I do now relates specifically to the atomic and subatomic consistency of atoms within our makeup and the inconsistency this makeup has in what I'll call our "personalities". Given the way science works, if I have 4 identical twins and I raise them all exactly the same way, expose them to the exact same things at the exact same times, teach them the same, feed them the same, and do everything identically, based on every theory out there all 4 of these individuals should think and feel identically about everything. But we know this not to be true. They each develop unique identities regardless as to how consistently we raise them - and they shared identical DNA at the time of their creation.

Now granted there are atomic differences in the consistency of that DNA, so by virtue of that fact there will always be a difference on some level. But my point here is that there is something that creates personality and intelligence. And even when all controllable factors remain constant between 2 individuals, these characteristics develop independently. So now the question is obviously - Why?

Every psychological or scientific study I've read in this arena has been seriously flawed, incomplete, proven wrong, holds ends based conclusions, and is generally unreliable. Hell, half the findings take more faith to believe than a creator. They might as well just have written "It is magic". Because the truth is they don't know, their science failed them, and their egos won't allow them to say that.

So why do we all develop into whoever we are? Why is our species so different from the rest? Why don't we ever find another species "adapting" their intelligence and/or emotional capacity to evolve to our level? Why is this obvious flaw in the science dismissed with unreasonable theories by so many so called "intelligent" people? Why don't they like talking about this? Why does it threaten them? It seems a fair enough topic to dive into.

*sigh* I don't like people who avoid truth and instead prefer to lie to themselves to make how they want things to be to feel more true. They lead people astray and that burns me up.

Those are massive questions Rod. Evolution is a class of its own and to me the closest I've gotten to understanding some of the evolution-related questions you're wondering about (Which I'm sure you have valuable information on) so in no way i'm lecturing the mighty Rod, just sharing what I know with you, I think Darwin solved a lot of these mysteries for us and the rest depends on whether we want to look at his discoveries with an open mind or not, I'm a believer in evolution and have already had my anti-evolution or evolution debunk thoughts answered, the generic ones (Like why we still have apes) and some personal ones which I needed them to be answered because i was branding out of religion and needed some pieces to add to my puzzle before i departure so I'm at peace with knowing how we existed.

We still have a long way to go in order to evolve or even dissolve then a new species rises and evolves beyond us, I watched this documentary about downscaling the universe to our concept of time and it suggests that if we were to scale things back in time dating back to the Big Bang on to the first formation of rocks which collided forming the Earth, all of that happened only 5 minutes ago so you can imagine how long the universe has to go, I can't saw how long "We" have to go but the universe is going to exist with or without us, infant if a black hole swallows us right this second we'd disappear off the universe and no one would know or even miss us. There's a bigger picture to everything and when it comes to the universe the more we know the further we are from grasping it in one capsule of information because every puzzle we unlock opens 1000s more questions.

I'm receiving the message I've been blocked from posting here, checked for possible profanity and everything but with no result. Shame.

This was a test post, so I'm obviously not, but how do I express my thought then? Yeesh, giving me hard time again.

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I'm receiving the message I've been blocked from posting here, checked for possible profanity and everything but with no result. Shame.

This was a test post, so I'm obviously not, but how do I express my thought then? Yeesh, giving me hard time again.

Ohh no worries, this happens when you're quoting a long post, so just post a normal one (without quoting) and it should work.

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I'm receiving the message I've been blocked from posting here, checked for possible profanity and everything but with no result. Shame.

This was a test post, so I'm obviously not, but how do I express my thought then? Yeesh, giving me hard time again.

Ohh no worries, this happens when you're quoting a long post, so just post a normal one (without quoting) and it should work.

Guess I turned out to be a sweet summer child this time again

Now, back to where last post took off:
Night is beautiful time of the day, and I will argue with anyone who claims that all the social activities and life are happening during the day, as I've had the deepest and most thoughtful conversations somewhere between 1 and 5 am, which were more fulfilling and pleasing than ages of daytime chat, though it feels relieving to have a nonsense conversation at times (no, I don't mean the shoe, makeup or boy talk, I despise them greatly), just a little something to stop thinking about the greatness of all the ideas you have and voids where everything you know disappears.

Meaning of life is a topic you can write essays on and after thousands of pages still be wrong about every single thing you've written. This is something you either define by yourself and hope is right or die never knowing it existed, making it paradoxally true - meaning there was no point in you living? To be honest, I find this idea interesting, both true and false at the same time. If you don't know what were you trying to achieve, did you ever achieve anything? Maybe, but weren't aware of it, thus taking your knowledge straight into grave. Regardless of goals you've set for yourself, if you never share anything you've discovered in any way, it's as good as if you haven't found anything at all. We are all legally copying knowledge our ancestors shared, from the earlier mentioned entropy to your grandmothers' jam recipe. Now, what exactly would be stealing? I have doubt that it's even possible, as for someone to take your knowledge you have to... well, tell them. Or paint or write or just use whichever tool for transferring data. As long as you keep it inside of your head, it's safe. Once you put it out, you've deliberately accepted something like small ToS - if it's outside, it's simply okay for anyone to use it, upgrade it or twist it. Rest is matter of your selfishness but if we are to be selfish here, we could've as well kept it in our minds. In my opinion, ideas, like our minds' own works of art, should be shared, discussed, questioned and improved, in order to make them more beautiful and meaningful. Of course, you can't call the idea your own once it's been through all of those procedures, but why would that be bad?

eg. I come up with a brilliant idea (yeah right, this is just example don't laugh) and I tell you what crossed my mind. We discuss it and you find and correct few minor errors I've made, and then proceed to make it into something big, possibly important discovery for mankind, and present it as yours. Would I be mad? Not at all, even if that would mean I'm homeless and you are a billionaire. First, the idea wouldn't work at all without your contribution. Second, I believe in fair shares, and if you have forgotten that I exist in all the mess of being famous, my hands are still spotlessly clean so I have nothing to long for.

And in response to the question that popped up:
No, you can't possibly keep 2 beings in exactly same conditions at atomic levels. There were always minor differences, starting from the time when you are in womb. Let's say you have a twin brother, made of same cells as you are.
Okay that's true, but could you say you are made out of exactly the same number of atoms of certain kind like your little brother? No, not at all. There are probably so many differences you'd give up counting after a few rounds. That's why looking from that perspective, there aren't 2 equal beings on this planet. The most you can achieve is twins (or triplets or whatever the number might be). So, theoretically speaking, how are you planning to make 2 very different beings produce same responses under vastly different conditions as well? When trying to look at small things you often miss big ones.

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I'm receiving the message I've been blocked from posting here, checked for possible profanity and everything but with no result. Shame.

This was a test post, so I'm obviously not, but how do I express my thought then? Yeesh, giving me hard time again.

Ohh no worries, this happens when you're quoting a long post, so just post a normal one (without quoting) and it should work.

Guess I turned out to be a sweet summer child this time again

Now, back to where last post took off:
Night is beautiful time of the day, and I will argue with anyone who claims that all the social activities and life are happening during the day, as I've had the deepest and most thoughtful conversations somewhere between 1 and 5 am, which were more fulfilling and pleasing than ages of daytime chat, though it feels relieving to have a nonsense conversation at times (no, I don't mean the shoe, makeup or boy talk, I despise them greatly), just a little something to stop thinking about the greatness of all the ideas you have and voids where everything you know disappears.

Meaning of life is a topic you can write essays on and after thousands of pages still be wrong about every single thing you've written. This is something you either define by yourself and hope is right or die never knowing it existed, making it paradoxally true - meaning there was no point in you living? To be honest, I find this idea interesting, both true and false at the same time. If you don't know what were you trying to achieve, did you ever achieve anything? Maybe, but weren't aware of it, thus taking your knowledge straight into grave. Regardless of goals you've set for yourself, if you never share anything you've discovered in any way, it's as good as if you haven't found anything at all. We are all legally copying knowledge our ancestors shared, from the earlier mentioned entropy to your grandmothers' jam recipe. Now, what exactly would be stealing? I have doubt that it's even possible, as for someone to take your knowledge you have to... well, tell them. Or paint or write or just use whichever tool for transferring data. As long as you keep it inside of your head, it's safe. Once you put it out, you've deliberately accepted something like small ToS - if it's outside, it's simply okay for anyone to use it, upgrade it or twist it. Rest is matter of your selfishness but if we are to be selfish here, we could've as well kept it in our minds. In my opinion, ideas, like our minds' own works of art, should be shared, discussed, questioned and improved, in order to make them more beautiful and meaningful. Of course, you can't call the idea your own once it's been through all of those procedures, but why would that be bad?

eg. I come up with a brilliant idea (yeah right, this is just example don't laugh) and I tell you what crossed my mind. We discuss it and you find and correct few minor errors I've made, and then proceed to make it into something big, possibly important discovery for mankind, and present it as yours. Would I be mad? Not at all, even if that would mean I'm homeless and you are a billionaire. First, the idea wouldn't work at all without your contribution. Second, I believe in fair shares, and if you have forgotten that I exist in all the mess of being famous, my hands are still spotlessly clean so I have nothing to long for.

And in response to the question that popped up:
No, you can't possibly keep 2 beings in exactly same conditions at atomic levels. There were always minor differences, starting from the time when you are in womb. Let's say you have a twin brother, made of same cells as you are.
Okay that's true, but could you say you are made out of exactly the same number of atoms of certain kind like your little brother? No, not at all. There are probably so many differences you'd give up counting after a few rounds. That's why looking from that perspective, there aren't 2 equal beings on this planet. The most you can achieve is twins (or triplets or whatever the number might be). So, theoretically speaking, how are you planning to make 2 very different beings produce same responses under vastly different conditions as well? When trying to look at small things you often miss big ones.

I'm definitely a night person, I prefer to leave work due the next day till it's night time to get things done because that's when I'm in my focus zone, I'm all over the place during daytime although my hyperactivity is all internal people around me never know what i'm up or have achieved till way later. I always took life in three blocks split to 30 years each (granted you live to be 90) 30 years to build up, 30 years to enjoy what you built or pay the consequences and the last 30 years to reflect with pride or regret, I think you need a personal life philosophy that is adaptive to your capabilities and potential or you'll drive yourself crazy adopting life achievements you can never fulfill, all I know is it would really suck to come and go unnoticed without leaving any trace or a memory, that's one of the few other things I envy people like Einstein for, their memory and findings will live on for decades to come and humanity is already forever in his debt and others who dared to think big.

It may take 200 years or more till someone verifies some of Einstein's theories and this is one of the beautiful things about humanity, an idea may sound so crazy and irrational during the era it's being thrown out there but might make perfect sense decades later, it's only been few 10s of years since Einstein published The General Theory of Relativity and cosmologists are just starting to look more seriously than ever at his Parallel Universe mathematics saying it's more than just equations and might infact be a reality.



During the very early universe, just after the Big Bang, the universe underwent a period of accelerated expansion called inflation. Inflation was invoked originally to explain why the current observational universe is almost uniform in temperature. However, the theory also predicted a spectrum of temperature fluctuations around this equilibrium which was later confirmed by several spacecraft such as Cosmic Background Explorer

While the exact details of the theory are still being hotly debated, inflation is widely accepted by physicists. However, a consequence of this theory is that there must be other parts of the universe that are still accelerating. However, due to the quantum fluctuations of space-time, some parts of the universe never actually reach the end state of inflation. This means that the universe is, at least according to our current understanding, eternally inflating. Some parts can therefore end up becoming other universes, which could become other universes etc. This mechanism generates a infinite number of universes.

By combining this scenario with string theory, there is a possibility that each of these universes possesses a different compactification of the extra dimensions and hence has different physical laws.

Parallel Universe is so interesting, genetically twins can exist, in very rare medical cases within the same body, but the real thing is the presence of the same exact carbon copy of us in an alternate universe. If you don't have a headache from this, I do lol. Have a nice weekend!

I rarely get headaches from thinking alone, but this summer heat is killing me in a number of ways and the thing that probably suffers most is my circulatory system and therefore, having annoying headaches at all times is nothing new, very enjoyable experience.
Thinking about multiverse comes to me as naturally as breathing, maybe because I'm a dreamer or because I watched a lot of sci-fi but whole idea is simply beautiful and scary at first. I often get lost in the idea what could've been different if I simply did something different in the past, and how much would that change me today. To think there's been an infinite number of little universes and also infinite number of me's that could've tried out all the possible choices and ended up in very different ways than I did gets my thoughts messy a lot. And to think there's a timeline like this for every single being in this universe, even messier. A so-called Butterfly effect is (at least for me) one of the most achy questions I've ever stumbled upon and also one that has infinitely many answers, but none applying to you at the moment. If there was a way to hack it, it would probably put an end to us like species because of our selfishness and greediness, everyone would simply be looking to become popular, rich or live a long life (or all of the above) crushing dreams of others and eventually wiping out the mankind. There probably are exceptions, but it takes as little as one crazy mind to destroy whole planet. Maybe me in other universe has already done it? Getting goosebumps there...

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I rarely get headaches from thinking alone, but this summer heat is killing me in a number of ways and the thing that probably suffers most is my circulatory system and therefore, having annoying headaches at all times is nothing new, very enjoyable experience.
Thinking about multiverse comes to me as naturally as breathing, maybe because I'm a dreamer or because I watched a lot of sci-fi but whole idea is simply beautiful and scary at first. I often get lost in the idea what could've been different if I simply did something different in the past, and how much would that change me today. To think there's been an infinite number of little universes and also infinite number of me's that could've tried out all the possible choices and ended up in very different ways than I did gets my thoughts messy a lot. And to think there's a timeline like this for every single being in this universe, even messier. A so-called Butterfly effect is (at least for me) one of the most achy questions I've ever stumbled upon and also one that has infinitely many answers, but none applying to you at the moment. If there was a way to hack it, it would probably put an end to us like species because of our selfishness and greediness, everyone would simply be looking to become popular, rich or live a long life (or all of the above) crushing dreams of others and eventually wiping out the mankind. There probably are exceptions, but it takes as little as one crazy mind to destroy whole planet. Maybe me in other universe has already done it? Getting goosebumps there...

There are things we have yet to figure, one of the things I truly believe in is that the day we evolve to value life in all its forms, kinds and shapes is the day we'll be ready to explore extraterrestrial life. We only just took our first steps, in earth time we see homosepian period a long time ago in universe time that's just a nanosecond ago. Watching sci-fi movies annoy me I'm very observant to physics laws details and when they get things wrong it pisses me off, I watched the Martian with an open mind I really wanted to enjoy it like everyone around me then the Martian storm scene came up and it was far too exaggerated and inaccurate, a storm that big on Mars would feel like thin breeze on your skin because of the low density an it goes on to other areas, this is why I fant watch horror films I end up laughing throughout the movie because of how the scary scenes are constructed I'm very logical so I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, devil's or the bogey man it's hard for me to let me imagination go that far although sometimes I wish I could. I typed this on my phone so I apologize in advance if you spot any typos.

You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I rarely get headaches from thinking alone, but this summer heat is killing me in a number of ways and the thing that probably suffers most is my circulatory system and therefore, having annoying headaches at all times is nothing new, very enjoyable experience.
Thinking about multiverse comes to me as naturally as breathing, maybe because I'm a dreamer or because I watched a lot of sci-fi but whole idea is simply beautiful and scary at first. I often get lost in the idea what could've been different if I simply did something different in the past, and how much would that change me today. To think there's been an infinite number of little universes and also infinite number of me's that could've tried out all the possible choices and ended up in very different ways than I did gets my thoughts messy a lot. And to think there's a timeline like this for every single being in this universe, even messier. A so-called Butterfly effect is (at least for me) one of the most achy questions I've ever stumbled upon and also one that has infinitely many answers, but none applying to you at the moment. If there was a way to hack it, it would probably put an end to us like species because of our selfishness and greediness, everyone would simply be looking to become popular, rich or live a long life (or all of the above) crushing dreams of others and eventually wiping out the mankind. There probably are exceptions, but it takes as little as one crazy mind to destroy whole planet. Maybe me in other universe has already done it? Getting goosebumps there...

There are things we have yet to figure, one of the things I truly believe in is that the day we evolve to value life in all its forms, kinds and shapes is the day we'll be ready to explore extraterrestrial life. We only just took our first steps, in earth time we see homosepian period a long time ago in universe time that's just a nanosecond ago. Watching sci-fi movies annoy me I'm very observant to physics laws details and when they get things wrong it pisses me off, I watched the Martian with an open mind I really wanted to enjoy it like everyone around me then the Martian storm scene came up and it was far too exaggerated and inaccurate, a storm that big on Mars would feel like thin breeze on your skin because of the low density an it goes on to other areas, this is why I fant watch horror films I end up laughing throughout the movie because of how the scary scenes are constructed I'm very logical so I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, devil's or the bogey man it's hard for me to let me imagination go that far although sometimes I wish I could. I typed this on my phone so I apologize in advance if you spot any typos.

When it comes to irregularities in sci-fi movies, I prefer to just sit through the whole movie and disregard any errors that were made in the process. There are things that may be true, but also things that were over exaggerated just for the sake of making it appealing to public. The storm you mentioned earlier wouldn't be nearly as spectacular to watch, so that's where you either choose to throw away the whole plot or just those minor things you consider faulty. Might seem like odd example, but you wouldn't throw away whole box of pens if you just clicked few and realized they aren't working. Or would you? And yes, I mostly laugh through horror movies as well, because they are cheapish, poorly-made tools of making crowd's jaws drop, and being a fear/phobia resistant being I am, I mostly focus on debunking storyline and end up spoiling the movie for anyone who's watching it with me (guess that's why I'm the least favorite person for creepy movie nights).

Rod (126579776) wrote:You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

happy to impress

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I rarely get headaches from thinking alone, but this summer heat is killing me in a number of ways and the thing that probably suffers most is my circulatory system and therefore, having annoying headaches at all times is nothing new, very enjoyable experience.
Thinking about multiverse comes to me as naturally as breathing, maybe because I'm a dreamer or because I watched a lot of sci-fi but whole idea is simply beautiful and scary at first. I often get lost in the idea what could've been different if I simply did something different in the past, and how much would that change me today. To think there's been an infinite number of little universes and also infinite number of me's that could've tried out all the possible choices and ended up in very different ways than I did gets my thoughts messy a lot. And to think there's a timeline like this for every single being in this universe, even messier. A so-called Butterfly effect is (at least for me) one of the most achy questions I've ever stumbled upon and also one that has infinitely many answers, but none applying to you at the moment. If there was a way to hack it, it would probably put an end to us like species because of our selfishness and greediness, everyone would simply be looking to become popular, rich or live a long life (or all of the above) crushing dreams of others and eventually wiping out the mankind. There probably are exceptions, but it takes as little as one crazy mind to destroy whole planet. Maybe me in other universe has already done it? Getting goosebumps there...

There are things we have yet to figure, one of the things I truly believe in is that the day we evolve to value life in all its forms, kinds and shapes is the day we'll be ready to explore extraterrestrial life. We only just took our first steps, in earth time we see homosepian period a long time ago in universe time that's just a nanosecond ago. Watching sci-fi movies annoy me I'm very observant to physics laws details and when they get things wrong it pisses me off, I watched the Martian with an open mind I really wanted to enjoy it like everyone around me then the Martian storm scene came up and it was far too exaggerated and inaccurate, a storm that big on Mars would feel like thin breeze on your skin because of the low density an it goes on to other areas, this is why I fant watch horror films I end up laughing throughout the movie because of how the scary scenes are constructed I'm very logical so I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, devil's or the bogey man it's hard for me to let me imagination go that far although sometimes I wish I could. I typed this on my phone so I apologize in advance if you spot any typos.

When it comes to irregularities in sci-fi movies, I prefer to just sit through the whole movie and disregard any errors that were made in the process. There are things that may be true, but also things that were over exaggerated just for the sake of making it appealing to public. The storm you mentioned earlier wouldn't be nearly as spectacular to watch, so that's where you either choose to throw away the whole plot or just those minor things you consider faulty. Might seem like odd example, but you wouldn't throw away whole box of pens if you just clicked few and realized they aren't working. Or would you? And yes, I mostly laugh through horror movies as well, because they are cheapish, poorly-made tools of making crowd's jaws drop, and being a fear/phobia resistant being I am, I mostly focus on debunking storyline and end up spoiling the movie for anyone who's watching it with me (guess that's why I'm the least favorite person for creepy movie nights).

It's very difficult to contain yourself during these shady horror films especially the ones they make now they're all so generic, it's always the white family moving to a new house or returning back to an old abandoned home and on their first night the daughter or son hears weird noise coming from downstairs she goes to check all by herself and screams then the mom wakes up the father yelling "Amy just screamed!!!!!" the dad gets up and goes downstairs to check on his panicking daughter he gives her a hug and tucks her back in bed then goes back to bed with his wife and she tells him "Something is weird in this house Tim..I can feel it" To which he replies "it's probably just the cat" and he keeps denying till his daughter is killed in front of him as he's watching... See when that happens I can't lock my laughter from bursting and it pisses people off, my Ex-Girlfriend used to be a huge horror films fan he whole life revolved around scary medieval stuff and before she told me anything related to that she'd say I know you think this is stupid but.. And yes I always thought it was stupid lol, I'm not gonna lie.

I've been lucky to cross my paths with person who asks a ton of questions during the movie and keeps me from being bored mentally. We were watching The Skeleton Key (think that's the name lol) and at a moment he was like "This is so messed up, it seems like the old lady is going to abuse her dead body when she kills her! How can she be so polite all the time? It's creepy." (actual quote included a bit more anger and swearing, referring to body abuse as cutting up into small pieces and various lab rat like experiments theories) and I was like (spoiler alert) "Nah, she's probably just going to magically switch bodies just like that lawyer did with this old man, look at that I mean it's obvious he's trying to run away, couldn't possibly be her real spouse".
Turns out I was right, and every other movie we watched was followed by massive laughter, spotting cliche scenes and predicting outcomes for characters. Probably the funniest watching ever was with our friends/house pets (they used to spend a lot of time with us) who have literally acquired wall color after few minutes of Jigsaw, while we were predicting who's gonna die in the next round. Gruesome way to have fun, but when presented such nonsense, what's the appropriate way to deal with it?

TL Kira (187264144) wrote:I've been lucky to cross my paths with person who asks a ton of questions during the movie and keeps me from being bored mentally. We were watching The Skeleton Key (think that's the name lol) and at a moment he was like "This is so messed up, it seems like the old lady is going to abuse her dead body when she kills her! How can she be so polite all the time? It's creepy." (actual quote included a bit more anger and swearing, referring to body abuse as cutting up into small pieces and various lab rat like experiments theories) and I was like (spoiler alert) "Nah, she's probably just going to magically switch bodies just like that lawyer did with this old man, look at that I mean it's obvious he's trying to run away, couldn't possibly be her real spouse".
Turns out I was right, and every other movie we watched was followed by massive laughter, spotting cliche scenes and predicting outcomes for characters. Probably the funniest watching ever was with our friends/house pets (they used to spend a lot of time with us) who have literally acquired wall color after few minutes of Jigsaw, while we were predicting who's gonna die in the next round. Gruesome way to have fun, but when presented such nonsense, what's the appropriate way to deal with it?

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

Rod (126579776) wrote:You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

happy to impress

Always impressed with you sir.

I do worry about you though. Suspending what you know logically to allow the illogical and the entertaining their chance to permeate your consciousness ain't a bad thing. In fact, it is quite human. Take it from a guy who was wound so tight he once called down fire from heaven for some of the illogical sins in The Matrix. LOL "Fantasy" is a great source for creativity. It needs air my friend.

Mamas LilAngel (126579776) wrote:

Nick Blade (187030201) wrote:

Rod (126579776) wrote:You guys have at least one fan. Loving the ramblings.

happy to impress

Always impressed with you sir.

I do worry about you though. Suspending what you know logically to allow the illogical and the entertaining their chance to permeate your consciousness ain't a bad thing. In fact, it is quite human. Take it from a guy who was wound so tight he once called down fire from heaven for some of the illogical sins in The Matrix. LOL "Fantasy" is a great source for creativity. It needs air my friend.

Give me another cup of coffee and I'll happily introduce you to my twisted, creative idea of making portable LED light on my own
I KNOW that already exists but why spend 15$ on it when I can make it out of basement stuff for free? (exclude electricity needed to power soldering iron)

Yes I have weird basement.