SvG Jericha (6077295) wrote:

Pinkylola (235554) wrote:We already got a good supply of water/ food and medication.

Same here...and bug-out bags complete with...well, I won't go into all that, but suffice it to say that we would survive and thrive.

Always a good idea to be prepared!

Fear is never a good emotion - it's a negative response to a stimuli, either real or imagined. I think most of you are thinking more on the terms of alertness and a reasonable response to danger. Fear, on the other hand, causes inaction or irrational response. It can be instrumental in bad decision making, unreasonableness and violence.

The Tutor (126579776) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

The Tutor (126579776) wrote:

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:It is fear, not faith, that had helped homo sapiens to survive. Self preservation of any organism originated from fear.

The survival instinct in us is strong

Fascinating topic. The instinctive fear mechanism is truly a powerful motivator for action in all species, homo sapiens included. The ability to effectively respond to a threat is an undeniable truth in a species' survival.

Look out, because here comes my "However". LOL

However, the cognitive abilities inherent to homo sapiens give them an advantage over other species. We are singular in our ability to set aside fear (if we choose), and operate solely on thought and will. Part of that construct is the ability to operate in faith and hope and act accordingly. Part of being "brave" is doing something contrary to the fear instinct. When the allied forces stormed Normandy, they did so in the face of daunting odds. The smell of fear was everywhere. If it was in control, no one would have set foot on that beach. But these men had hope and faith that they could overcome the threat. And they did.

From the start I was going to add "intelligence," but did not, for FEAR that I would be called an elitist or whatever, remembering that someone here said I was "SCARILY intelligent" That said, homo sapiens are not the only species with high cognitive abilities. In many other areas of cognition, some species can easily beat us in a hearbeat. Arrogance, however, is a trait that is typical of homo sapiens only, to even think that their species is "special" and is "above" the other species. About faith and hope, it depends. As long as it is not faith and hope of an afterlife and such, I can agree. I do have faith and hope in myself

LOL Can it be elitism when it's factually true? A smart man once said "it ain't bragging if you can do it".

I've been accused of elitism in the past, by an alt who obviously had FEAR to protect himself by staying anonymous

Connecting survival with intelligence can be a sensitive matter in time like this. In respect to all the departed due to the pandemic, I don't want people to interpret is as "If you didn't survive and died of Covid-19, it was because you were not intelligent enough." Of course it is not true.

Doodler (10729465) wrote:Fear is never a good emotion - it's a negative response to a stimuli, either real or imagined. I think most of you are thinking more on the terms of alertness and a reasonable response to danger. Fear, on the other hand, causes inaction or irrational response. It can be instrumental in bad decision making, unreasonableness and violence.

When I wrote about fear, this is what I had in mind. I will only copy and paste it, because I need to get some sleep.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/ ... /fear3.htm

Why Do We Fear?

If we couldn't be afraid, we wouldn't survive for long. We'd be walking into oncoming traffic, stepping off of rooftops and carelessly handling poisonous snakes. We'd be hanging out with people who have tuberculosis. In humans and in all animals, the purpose of fear is to promote survival. In the course of human evolution, the people who feared the right things survived to pass on their genes. In passing on their genes, the trait of fear and the response to it were selected as beneficial to the race. (emphasis mine)

During the 19th-century debate surrounding evolution, the "face of fear" -- that wide-eyed, gaping grimace that often accompanies sheer terror -- became a talking point. Why do people make that face when they're terrified? Some said God had given people a way to let others know they were afraid even if they didn't speak the same language. Charles Darwin said it was a result of the instinctive tightening of muscles triggered by an evolved response to fear. To prove his point, he went to the reptile house at the London Zoological Gardens. Trying to remain perfectly calm, he stood as close to the glass as possible while a puff adder lunged toward him on the other side. Every time it happened, he grimaced and jumped back. In his diary, he writes, "My will and reason were powerless against the imagination of a danger which had never been experienced." He concluded that the entire fear response is an ancient instinct that has been untouched by the nuances of modern civilization [ref].

Most of us are no longer fighting (or running) for our lives in the wild, but fear is far from an outdated instinct. It serves the same purpose today as it did when we might run into a lion while carrying water back from the river. Only now, we're carrying a wallet and walking down city streets. The decision not to take that shortcut through the deserted alley at midnight is based on a rational fear that promotes survival. Only the stimuli have changed -- we're in as much danger today as we were hundreds of years ago, and our fear serves to protect us now as it did then.

Darwin had never experienced the bite of a poisonous snake, and yet he reacted to it as if his life were in danger. Most of us have never been anywhere near The Plague, but our heart will skip a beat at the sight of a rat. For humans, there are other factors involved in fear beyond instinct. Human beings have the sometimes unfortunate gift of anticipation, and we anticipate terrible things that might happen -- things we have heard about, read about or seen on TV. Most of us have never experienced a plane crash, but that doesn't stop us from sitting on a plane with white-knuckle grips on the armrests. Anticipating a fearful stimulus can provoke the same response as actually experiencing it. This also is an evolutionary benefit: Those humans who felt rain, anticipated lightning and remained in the cave until the storm passed had a better chance of not getting struck with thousands of volts of electricity. We'll look at ways in which we are conditioned to fear in the next section.

Fear and Excitement
If you enjoy horror movies, you know that fear can be exciting. Many people enjoy being afraid -- the arousal that comes with the fight-or-flight response can be pleasurable and can even mimic sexual arousal. It's no wonder so many people go to see scary movies and ride roller coasters on dates.
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Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:Fear is never a good emotion - it's a negative response to a stimuli, either real or imagined. I think most of you are thinking more on the terms of alertness and a reasonable response to danger. Fear, on the other hand, causes inaction or irrational response. It can be instrumental in bad decision making, unreasonableness and violence.

When I wrote about fear, this is what I had in mind. I will only copy and paste it, because I need to get some sleep.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/ ... /fear3.htm

In humans and in all animals, the purpose of fear is to promote survival. In the course of human evolution, the people who feared the right things survived to pass on their genes. In passing on their genes, the trait of fear and the response to it were selected as beneficial to the race. (emphasis mine)


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The key words to this, I think, are "feared the right things". It takes intelligence to interpret that. Fear, on the other hand, can make you freeze in that moment and cause more danger - deer in the headlight syndrome. That is why the military focuses so much on controlling your fear and instead, enhance your alertness. Fear can be very crippling, if not controlled, while being prepared and ready for action can not only save your life, but make life easier and more productive. Fear of the unknown is a complete waste of energy and can be used to control you.

Doodler (10729465) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:Fear is never a good emotion - it's a negative response to a stimuli, either real or imagined. I think most of you are thinking more on the terms of alertness and a reasonable response to danger. Fear, on the other hand, causes inaction or irrational response. It can be instrumental in bad decision making, unreasonableness and violence.

When I wrote about fear, this is what I had in mind. I will only copy and paste it, because I need to get some sleep.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/ ... /fear3.htm

In humans and in all animals, the purpose of fear is to promote survival. In the course of human evolution, the people who feared the right things survived to pass on their genes. In passing on their genes, the trait of fear and the response to it were selected as beneficial to the race. (emphasis mine)


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The key words to this, I think, are "feared the right things". It takes intelligence to interpret that. Fear, on the other hand, can make you freeze in that moment and cause more danger - deer in the headlight syndrome. That is why the military focuses so much on controlling your fear and instead, enhance your alertness. Fear can be very crippling, if not controlled, while being prepared and ready for action can not only save your life, but make life easier and more productive. Fear of the unknown is a complete waste of energy and can be used to control you.

The name is still the same, it is named “fear,” only that it was differentiated like a spectrum by its intensity and its physical and/or mental impact on certain individuals, and each individual is unique. The scientific jargon for fear is fear, not alertness, which is quite a different thing. Fear can both be beneficial or debilitating if it is very intense, but it is fear, debilitating or not, that has helped us come to where we are now, evolution-wise. And it is still beneficial now to help us survive. Fear of the unknown is instinctive, and it serves a purpose. If we wait to confirm first that it was a tiger making that rustling sound on the ground behind the trees, it would already be too late. He would already pounch on us. There is a reason why unknown beings like ghosts and aliens in fiction have scary appearance, or at least different than human beings. We are both attracted and scared of the unknown, and that it could be enjoyable and exciting. The article wrote fear of the right thing to rule out phobia, which is intense but irrational kind of fear.

I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

Doodler (10729465) wrote:I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Roosevelt.

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Roosevelt.

It's a great discussion.

Thriller (126579776) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Roosevelt.

It's a great discussion.

I hope FDR did not turn over in his grave

Doodler (10729465) wrote:Fear is never a good emotion - it's a negative response to a stimuli, either real or imagined. I think most of you are thinking more on the terms of alertness and a reasonable response to danger. Fear, on the other hand, causes inaction or irrational response. It can be instrumental in bad decision making, unreasonableness and violence.

truer words never spoken

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Thriller (126579776) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Roosevelt.

It's a great discussion.

I hope FDR did not turn over in his grave

Well to be fair, his statement was accurate in the context and to the audience it was delivered. That's the fun part of discussing fear. They exist both as real tangible threats and those that are imagined. Both of them can hurt us if improperly managed.

context - a very important word and concept. a lot of physical and emotional damage can be done by taking something anyone says out of its' context.

dianabanana (111036364) wrote:context - a very important word and concept. a lot of physical and emotional damage can be done by taking something anyone says out of its' context.

So totally true, especially if its something that gets twisted into something its not.

dianabanana (111036364) wrote:context - a very important word and concept. a lot of physical and emotional damage can be done by taking something anyone says out of its' context.

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

dianabanana (111036364) wrote:context - a very important word and concept. a lot of physical and emotional damage can be done by taking something anyone says out of its' context.

So totally true, especially if its something that gets twisted into something its not.

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

dianabanana (111036364) wrote:context - a very important word and concept. a lot of physical and emotional damage can be done by taking something anyone says out of its' context.

So totally true, especially if its something that gets twisted into something its not.

you are dead right with no wiggle room and you, i, kio and rod know that from recent experiences with mentally unstable individual(s).

There has been evidence of many disasters occurring right before our eyes much more now then I've ever seen. So I don't find what he said odd. I personally have one closet designated for a quick bug out. And it has nothing to do with fear just using logic. I'd be careful how any make fun of this thread, because we may be sorry later for not trying to at least to be prepared. I watched a YouTube video of an retired marine who was told by a friend stock up and all the marine leaders receive this message. So yeah being prepared so I don't have to beg the next person who took heed to the earths warning seems rather smart. I know one think I wouldn't help someone who made fun of me then when h*ll breaks loose and then they expects a hand out. But then I am a kind person so we'll see........

Thriller (126579776) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Thriller (126579776) wrote:

Stardust (186190305) wrote:

Doodler (10729465) wrote:I've always loved this quote and try to live by it.

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Roosevelt.

It's a great discussion.

I hope FDR did not turn over in his grave

Well to be fair, his statement was accurate in the context and to the audience it was delivered. That's the fun part of discussing fear. They exist both as real tangible threats and those that are imagined. Both of them can hurt us if improperly managed.

I never knew he was a good motivator. I have never heard of this quote before, and this context thing is why I hardly use meme to make my point, unless it is clear and self-evident. Memes like this usually rob context out of the quote, especially if it was by a politician. Taken out from whatever context it had when it was delivered, it left us with only a concept that sounds more like a denial of human nature and evolution….and science.

NF2GxSw33tCandyYTF (170644823) wrote:There has been evidence of many disasters occurring right before our eyes much more now then I've ever seen. So I don't find what he said odd. I personally have one closet designated for a quick bug out. And it has nothing to do with fear just using logic. I'd be careful how any make fun of this thread, because we may be sorry later for not trying to at least to be prepared. I watched a YouTube video of an retired marine who was told by a friend stock up and all the marine leaders receive this message. So yeah being prepared so I don't have to beg the next person who took heed to the earths warning seems rather smart. I know one think I wouldn't help someone who made fun of me then when h*ll breaks loose and then they expects a hand out. But then I am a kind person so we'll see........

I have a whole frigging county full of people that I'd drive right on past rather than help them...but I do live in the county, in WA state that's the equivalent to Texas or Florida.

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:

DinosaurNerd89 (11877186) wrote:

BykaChic (134177197) wrote:Waiting for page 243 of this....

Wait all you want, but did you at least bring snacks?!?!

Booze. Lots of booze.

I have the weed covered...I grow plenty for all.