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Stormy Amphitrite
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:48 pm
Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:
Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:
Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:
Willow (13350872) wrote:I'm from around Holmes County ohio..which a large part of that community is the Amish and in Holmes County we have 327 confirmed cases with 6 deaths..Amish travel all the time and they have huge weddings and funerals but you know what they don't have? T.v's and that is why Covid is not affecting them and the only time you might see them with a mask on is in doctors offices or Walmart.


I think that's a really good point. I think it's more the way they interact with each other though. We used to live out right next to them. They don't really touch each other. Even the family members didn't seem to be too close, unless it was a child that needed held. For a stranger the closest they came to touching was to give change or a hand shake for a deal type thing and only from the men.

Also since they live on farms, there is plenty of open space in between dwellings. I think places with the large populations are getting hit so badly because they are living on top of each other. Hard to keep 6 ft from each other in places like that.

Not knocking on southern peeps either, because they are some of my favorite peeps, but I notice my southern friends are all touchy feely too. They always have to hug, be close to, put an arm around, etc others. Took me awhile to get used to considering the people I was raised around, and it is nice. I really like being around people not afraid to show affection. Down side is it has been really difficult for them to social distance these past several months. My point though, is non Amish are used to always touching others. Meeting people it is normal to shake a hand, even when a doctor walks into a room, that is first thing they do. So, Amish are masters of the social distancing normally LOL!


About small cities and farms: also getting hit badly especially due to agricultural and meat packing industries or being areas where prisons are located (and those that work in those areas and catch it while at work bring it back further into their communities). The most recent increase in WA cases has been due to agricultural, far from being urban, areas.

Most definitely! We don't have any factories like that around here. None where people are crammed in small places any ways. I heard about all the outbreaks at those meat packing places :(


Farmworkers, the people who have to pick our food are so very much at risk and are often feeling forced to earn enough to take care of their families or risk covid. :( Covid spread is also becoming very much an indicator in the US of racial injustice and social/economic inequality.

Skylar Heartbinder
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:53 pm
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Doodler (10729465) wrote:Here is one thing most people don't think about.

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Yes this! Human/child trafficking is a thousand times more important than a virus with a survival rate of 99%

anyone with existing health issues most certainly does not have a 99% chance of survival. and i am not sure about your math where you are but in canada, roughly 13% of the affected have died so far. almost 9000 lives... 9000 moms, dads, children. and we currently have over 6700 active case of which almost 2200 are consider serious or critical... so the 1% does not add up in all parts of the world.


This! It's not only 1% death here in states either, that is a made up number by certain cheeto and friends so as to not look bad. They also never include any of the life threatening/chronic complications that come with a lot cases. People assume the only ones getting critically ill or dying are old or sick (which pisses me off for a whole different reason, they say it like the elderly and disabled don't matter), but a lot of normally healthy people getting hit hard and dying too. I have a lot of nurse friends, 2 of which work in ICU and I feel so bad for them. They are getting the worst of all this. They are risking their own health and their families. Some have temporarily moved out so they don't risk bringing anything home to their spouses and kids. They have to treat these sick people, watch them die alone after weeks/months of suffering, inform their families (who are crushed because they couldn't be there with them), then turn around and see people spout nonsense about it all being a hoax and not that dangerous :(

TL Kirai
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:55 pm
Taurus (185839344) wrote:
TexanSouthern (103681266) wrote:
Doodler (10729465) wrote:Here is one thing most people don't think about.

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Yes this! Human/child trafficking is a thousand times more important than a virus with a survival rate of 99%

anyone with existing health issues most certainly does not have a 99% chance of survival.

Many illnesses have high survival rates if discovered and treated early but it's all numbers and percentages until someone you care about dies, just like statement in the picture means nothing until your child is taken away. Masks can be taken off easily and children should be encouraged to act responsibly, avoid walking alone (especially at night) and spend their time in groups.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:00 pm
TL Kira (187264144) wrote:
Taurus (185839344) wrote:
TexanSouthern (103681266) wrote:
Doodler (10729465) wrote:Here is one thing most people don't think about.

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Yes this! Human/child trafficking is a thousand times more important than a virus with a survival rate of 99%

anyone with existing health issues most certainly does not have a 99% chance of survival.

Many illnesses have high survival rates if discovered and treated early but it's all numbers and percentages until someone you care about dies, just like statement in the picture means nothing until your child is taken away. Masks can be taken off easily and children should be encouraged to act responsibly, avoid walking alone (especially at night) and spend their time in groups.


I honestly don't know why people keep posting these pictures about the abducted children when talking about masks. It is horrible, is a problem that has been around since the beginning of time and definitely needs stopped. Has zero to do with keeping people safe by wearing a mask though. Why people are suddenly now upset about it is baffling? They have been trying to stop the sex trafficking rings in larger surrounding cities for years in our area. I wish all these mask haters were out helping a long time ago, maybe more could've been done by now!

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:02 pm
i am for all causes and awarenesses but to try to make one more important than another is nonsense. they are all important.

Stormy Amphitrite
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:06 pm
Because, Science. Stop minimizing how awful this disease is. Covid is far worse than the flu for which there is a mostly effective seasonal vaccine, which is understood well by medicine/science, and which humans have lived with for thousands of years (building some natural herd immunity over those thousands of years).

Just one of things that science is learning about COVID that was not known a few months back when it first became a pandemic.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/blood-vessel-attack-could-trigger-coronavirus-fatal-second-phase

Stormy Amphitrite
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:11 pm
TL Kira (187264144) wrote:
Taurus (185839344) wrote:
TexanSouthern (103681266) wrote:
Doodler (10729465) wrote:Here is one thing most people don't think about.

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Yes this! Human/child trafficking is a thousand times more important than a virus with a survival rate of 99%

anyone with existing health issues most certainly does not have a 99% chance of survival.

Many illnesses have high survival rates if discovered and treated early but it's all numbers and percentages until someone you care about dies, just like statement in the picture means nothing until your child is taken away. Masks can be taken off easily and children should be encouraged to act responsibly, avoid walking alone (especially at night) and spend their time in groups.


If we had had a national lockdown as in European and Asian nations from the start and also had mask wearing (which is common in East Asia but WHO and the CDC were not yet endorsing it until later), tens of thousands to perhaps a hundred thousand now could have been saved in the US.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:11 pm
Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:Because, Science. Stop minimizing how awful this disease is. Covid is far worse than the flu for which there is a mostly effective seasonal vaccine, which is understood well by medicine/science, and which humans have lived with for thousands of years (building some natural herd immunity over those thousands of years).

Just one of things that science is learning about COVID that was not known a few months back when it first became a pandemic.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/blood-vessel-attack-could-trigger-coronavirus-fatal-second-phase

that is the single worse thing about this new strain of sars...it is brand new and even us 100% healthy, we have 0 immunity to it as our bodies have never encountered it before. now multiply that for people with immune, breathing, diabetes, god knows what else and it gets truly life threatening yet many still are more concerned about their rights than others health

Skylar Heartbinder
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:12 pm
Stormy Amphitrite (186654727) wrote:Because, Science. Stop minimizing how awful this disease is. Covid is far worse than the flu for which there is a mostly effective seasonal vaccine, which is understood well by medicine/science, and which humans have lived with for thousands of years (building some natural herd immunity over those thousands of years).

Just one of things that science is learning about COVID that was not known a few months back when it first became a pandemic.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/blood-vessel-attack-could-trigger-coronavirus-fatal-second-phase


So much is being learned daily about it. I think some people assume because certain factors/treatments/etc change that it must mean it can't be real. It means that this is a first, we don't know this particular disease yet and are still learning new things every day! That is how science works. Sadly we are all the guinea pigs in all this. So if a doctor says hey you should prolly wear a mask and not gather in large gatherings, maybe stay 6 ft away from others. You can bet I can do that. Anything to possibly help myself, my family and anyone I have to come in contact with stay safe. Even if years from now all the data shows masks did not help, it still wasn't a big deal to wear one in case it did.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:14 pm
in my province, we were longer getting our first case than the rest of north america and our premier took it serious right away and ordered lockdown almost immediately and closed our borders and our numbers were far lower than the rest of country, we only have 2 deaths in NB.. still 2 to many but better than the rest of our country... that proves that masks, gloves and most importantly, self isolating and social distancing works.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:17 pm
Taurus (185839344) wrote:in my province, we were longer getting our first case than the rest of north america and our premier took it serious right away and ordered lockdown almost immediately and closed our borders and our numbers were far lower than the rest of country, we only have 2 deaths in NB.. still 2 to many but better than the rest of our country... that proves that masks, gloves and most importantly, self isolating and social distancing works.

I wish the US would've taken it seriously :( that is whole other can of worms though!

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:20 pm
Taurus (185839344) wrote:in my province, we were longer getting our first case than the rest of north america and our premier took it serious right away and ordered lockdown almost immediately and closed our borders and our numbers were far lower than the rest of country, we only have 2 deaths in NB.. still 2 to many but better than the rest of our country... that proves that masks, gloves and most importantly, self isolating and social distancing works.



:thumbsup: Our country did the same and I'm thankful that our team of 5 million stood by it (yeah, we had some people go against it, there will always be those) and so far it's working for us. 100 days and counting with no community transmission.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:20 pm
Skylar Heartbinder (119863787) wrote:I honestly don't know why people keep posting these pictures about the abducted children when talking about masks. It is horrible, is a problem that has been around since the beginning of time and definitely needs stopped. Has zero to do with keeping people safe by wearing a mask though. Why people are suddenly now upset about it is baffling? They have been trying to stop the sex trafficking rings in larger surrounding cities for years in our area. I wish all these mask haters were out helping a long time ago, maybe more could've been done by now!

Exactly, and it doesn't say that you can't follow all the guidelines to minimize chances for anything. If people were so afraid of child traffickers, they wouldn't even let their children out of house in the first place, which perfectly matches with Covid recommendations as well. Wearing masks doesn't cause anything other than pollution if not disposed of properly, everything else like robberies, kidnappings and what not have been and will be around with or without masks and are issues to be addressed separately.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:21 pm
Mir (102794171) wrote:
Taurus (185839344) wrote:in my province, we were longer getting our first case than the rest of north america and our premier took it serious right away and ordered lockdown almost immediately and closed our borders and our numbers were far lower than the rest of country, we only have 2 deaths in NB.. still 2 to many but better than the rest of our country... that proves that masks, gloves and most importantly, self isolating and social distancing works.



:thumbsup: Our country did the same and I'm thankful that our team of 5 million stood by it (yeah, we had some people go against it, there will always be those) and so far it's working for us. 100 days and counting with no community transmission.

that's great to hear

Stormy Amphitrite
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:24 pm
TL Kira (187264144) wrote:
Taurus (185839344) wrote:
TexanSouthern (103681266) wrote:
Doodler (10729465) wrote:Here is one thing most people don't think about.

Image

Yes this! Human/child trafficking is a thousand times more important than a virus with a survival rate of 99%

anyone with existing health issues most certainly does not have a 99% chance of survival.

Many illnesses have high survival rates if discovered and treated early but it's all numbers and percentages until someone you care about dies, just like statement in the picture means nothing until your child is taken away. Masks can be taken off easily and children should be encouraged to act responsibly, avoid walking alone (especially at night) and spend their time in groups.


The latest on COVID and risk to children
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/08/900494834/children-can-get-severe-covid-19-cdc-says-especially-black-and-hispanic-children

Also
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-infection-spread-in-children-cvd/

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:25 pm
if more people would just give the self isolating and social distancing a chance, this would be over far sooner. masks are important and i will continue to wear one but i feel a mask is not as important as gloves, sanitizing, and social distancing and self isolating but many refuse to do any of those things.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:26 pm
I have to take an immunosuppressant.My biggest fear isn't getting it but getting it and giving it to someone else.I don't think I could deal with that.I know people have recovered from it but the chance of recovery isn't that well for many.I wear my mask whenever I go out.I wear it for those that can't.I wear it for those that don't want to.I wear it for those in the high risk category.I wear it for other people who have trouble with their immune system.I wear it for the person who follows as close as they can behind me going into the store.I even wear it for those that believe wearing one is against their rights.My mask protects you from me.Your mask protects me from you.

Stormy Amphitrite
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:41 pm
Ah yeah was looking for this tidbit on kids I heard on the news the other day--had to change the google query--this is actually some latest bit of news on kids and that younger children may indeed carry a large viral load. New studies all the time, that is how scientists are testing and learning. Science is not politics.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/children-often-carry-more-coronavirus-than-adults-study-67785

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:00 pm
Jennifer (187255645) wrote:I have to take an immunosuppressant.My biggest fear isn't getting it but getting it and giving it to someone else.I don't think I could deal with that.I know people have recovered from it but the chance of recovery isn't that well for many.I wear my mask whenever I go out.I wear it for those that can't.I wear it for those that don't want to.I wear it for those in the high risk category.I wear it for other people who have trouble with their immune system.I wear it for the person who follows as close as they can behind me going into the store.I even wear it for those that believe wearing one is against their rights.My mask protects you from me.Your mask protects me from you.


:heart: :kiss: :rose:

I actually ventured out 2 Fridays ago for the first time since some time in later winter before COVID was even an important issue in the first US state it was diagnosed in (mine). Seriously. Yeah, "mentally interesting" social avoidance. I wore a mask, a mask I didn't like at all (before getting my nice ones from Etsy), on a very hot day. It kept sagging from my nose next to my glasses and I kept having to touch my face next to the mask top to tug it back up. I figured I was likely not infectious (but "figuring" is not certainty) and likely more in danger of actually getting infected from my taking the bus. It may have been, in that case that day, largely symbolic that I went out with a mask to the doctor but symbolic is not virtue signaling when there is a real threat, it is setting a civilized social safety example even if you think (or possibly know) you don't have it. Just do it, peeps. Please.

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Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:03 pm
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