Veronica (122961678) wrote:Actually, releasing a few, and leaving the rest closed IS a mid point.

That way, one side will have to accept that some themes will be re-released,
and the other side will have to accept that they can not have all re-released.

Only that way it will be "fair"

When one side completely loses and the other side completely wins, we can't talk about things being fair here at all.

And believe me, if they had decided completely the other way, most of those no'ers would literally scream here on forums and some of them would start to be rude against BVG. Yes, they would feel left out, not cared. May be just not you dear Meleagris.

And then do they ever stop rereleasing??? Or does that go on forever??? And sorry I still don't agree it's a middle ground between rereleasing and not rereleasing. I would agree it's a middle ground between (A) keeping all things in store and (B) removing themes and not having them be rereleased. But I didn't think that was what the discussion was about. I didn't see the poll to be (A) do you want all past items in store and left in store or (B) do you want no past items rereleased in store. Only then would I see your solution as a middle ground.

Veronica (122961678) wrote:Actually, releasing a few, and leaving the rest closed IS a mid point.

That way, one side will have to accept that some themes will be re-released,
and the other side will have to accept that they can not have all re-released.

I don't see those who voted yes in this poll have voted that they want all re-released, that's not what the yes is saying. So your middle ground is really what the yes is saying that they want some re-released.

As one who voted no in this poll I would rather all be re-released then some be re-released so again, it's not a middle ground for me, it's exactly what I don't want.

I didn't understand what you mean with those A / B examples.

Here's what happened in this thread. It was suggested that would people like to see ALL of the in store ghost themes to be unlocked.

After many days, we came to a conclusion that there are 2 roughly equal sides that are totally against that and that totally want that.

This divides players in to 2 precise groups.

Because of that after this point, I am not selfishly insisting on releasing all anymore, what I suggested to find a way to please both sides was to have both sides sacrifice equally from what they want. You personally don't have to agree, but this is the only way to solve this situation fairly. so that it won't be for the benefit of one side only.

What you are defending is, to let it be as it is, as the things on your side is already ok, it seems like you personally see it's not necessary to do something for the other side's pleasure also.

Veronica (122961678) wrote:I didn't understand what you mean with those A / B examples.

My post after the one with the A/B should help you understand better. I'll repeat it again here:

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:

Veronica (122961678) wrote:Actually, releasing a few, and leaving the rest closed IS a mid point.

That way, one side will have to accept that some themes will be re-released,
and the other side will have to accept that they can not have all re-released.

I don't see those who voted yes in this poll have voted that they want all re-released, that's not what the yes is saying. So your middle ground is really what the yes is saying that they want some re-released.

As one who voted no in this poll I would rather all be re-released then some be re-released so again, it's not a middle ground for me, it's exactly what I don't want.

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:As one who voted no in this poll I would rather all be re-released then some be re-released so again, it's not a middle ground for me, it's exactly what I don't want.

Ok, that's your personal idea. But the whole thing is not about you and me or any other individual players' personal preferences.

Veronica (122961678) wrote:Here's what happened in this thread. It was suggested that would people like to see ALL of the in store ghost themes to be unlocked.

After many days, we came to a conclusion that there are 2 roughly equal sides that are totally against that and that totally want that.

This divides players in to 2 precise groups.

Because of that after this point, I am not selfishly insisting on releasing all anymore, what I suggested to find a way to please both sides was to have both sides sacrifice equally from what they want. You personally don't have to agree, but this is the only way to solve this situation fairly. so that it won't be for the benefit of one side only.

What you are defending is, to let it be as it is, as the things on your side is already ok, it seems like you personally see it's not necessary to do something for the other side's pleasure also.

Someone could do a poll and say do you want all 08s re-released. Maybe a HUGE majority would say yes, so should they do that then TO BE FAIR, since it was a HUGE majority? And what if it was tied should they then just re-release some TO BE FAIR?

Everytime someone decides to do a poll about re-releasing does BVG then need to re-release something in order to BE FAIR? If they do it because of your poll, wouldn't they have to do it because of other people's polls JUST TO BE FAIR?

I hope you can understand what I'm getting at here. BVG does not have to respond to every poll and find a middle ground JUST TO BE FAIR.

Yes, when a major issue is boldly being discussed with contribution of many players, they should at least consider what can be done about it. They don't "have to" but it's the best if they do so.

How disturbing that word "fair" isn't it? I feel the same when people say "re-releases aren't FAIR for those who payed X amount for items and for those who will lose profit"

Scarlett (179109270) wrote:No, then my items will lose value, not that they are expensive but I want to be able to sell and make a profit. If they unlock them.....I will lose money.

When are people goin to realise that YOWORLD is a game and NOT a financial Institution !!!!!!!

dragonfly (2235198) wrote:

Scarlett (179109270) wrote:No, then my items will lose value, not that they are expensive but I want to be able to sell and make a profit. If they unlock them.....I will lose money.

When are people goin to realise that YOWORLD is a game and NOT a financial Institution !!!!!!!

That's the "only" excuse, the "only" reason why they don't want it which makes me go "wow" !
But that's my personal view and we need to try to understand others' opinions too.

It is just not right judging others' preferences. Just there needs to be a way to make peace and find a middle way. But that can only be if each side stops thinking selfishly.

Veronica (122961678) wrote:Yes, when a major issue is boldly being discussed with contribution of many players, they should at least consider what can be done about it. They don't "have to" but it's the best if they do so.

I think they have considered the opposing sides of re-releases and they have made definitive statements, I understand you don't think they were aware of the situation when they made their decision. I have no problem with this continuing to be addressed and yes we are each entitled to our own opinions.

Veronica (122961678) wrote:Yes, when a major issue is boldly being discussed with contribution of many players, they should at least consider what can be done about it.

There have been about 300 votes and there are at least 9736 people who read this forum and 2948 who have read this thread so I wouldn't say that "many" players have contributed to the poll.

So far, so good.....
Maybe BVG will pay attention to this kind of Polls

They never said NEVER, they just said Unlikely
And Lack of Revenue ($$$$$), make strange bedfellows, I would not hold it against them if they change their minds on this issue. You do what you have to do to keep your Business Going.

This is a GAME for us..... but IT'S A BUSINESS FOR BVG

Veronica (122961678) wrote:
25 + 44 = 69
308 - 69 = 239
Cover the other choices with your fingers do something lol
239 people voted YES or NO = 2 choices
121 YES
118 NO

I don't see what's one sided here. Sorry. What I see some people are just being creative on words & sentences just for the sake of defending their side. Yet this is not a fight. At least, I don't see it that way.

Don't pay attention dear, to anyone saying this poll is not very "scientific" because only so many people participated in it....
US population is over 317.000.000 (million People) and when they publish any "professional" poll they usually only sample/poll about 1500 (hundred) people or 0.00047318611987381704% of the entire population.

So, the latest data on daily yoworld Population/players show that there is only 17,000 daily active users ... so do the math it's 1.8705882352941177% of YO population..... So your poll is as "scientific", as any professional poll would be.

Karma YED (167876742) wrote:So far, so good.....
Maybe BVG will pay attention to this kind of Polls

They never said NEVER, they just said Unlikely
And Lack of Revenue ($$$$$), make strange bedfellows, I would not hold it against them if they change their minds on this issue. You do what you have to do to keep your Business Going.

This is a GAME for us..... but IT'S A BUSINESS FOR BVG

They at first said unlikely in May since then they have said they will not do re-releases.

yoworld.com wrote:Q: Will you be re-releasing specific items?

A: Unlikely, but we may create new variations of them.

Gary wrote:If the item was officially released previously and everyone had the opportunity to get it, then no. We know item rarity and value is very important to the players, and we respect that.

The link to the following quote:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7893&p=145115#p145115

Viking John wrote:Hey everyone!

As it's been stated a few times in this thread quoting Gary's interview with YoRehab, if any item has officially been released by Zynga in the past we will not be putting it back into the game. Accidental releases such as the Menorah Hat are different, as they weren't an official release.

All of your 08 and 09 costumes, retro specks, and all the other valuable items that have been released before are not going to be re-released. As Gary mentioned, we understand the value of rare items and want to keep it that way.

If you see people posting 'rumor' threads about releases coming tomorrow or next week, if it's not a post from one of us then it's exactly that, a rumor!

I hope this helps clear things up for everyone!

Karma YED (167876742) wrote:

Veronica (122961678) wrote:
25 + 44 = 69
308 - 69 = 239
Cover the other choices with your fingers do something lol
239 people voted YES or NO = 2 choices
121 YES
118 NO

I don't see what's one sided here. Sorry. What I see some people are just being creative on words & sentences just for the sake of defending their side. Yet this is not a fight. At least, I don't see it that way.

Don't pay attention dear, to anyone saying this poll is not very "scientific" because only so many people participated in it....
US population is over 317.000.000 (million People) and when they publish any "professional" poll they usually only sample/poll about 1500 (hundred) people or 0.00047318611987381704% of the entire population.

So, the latest data on daily yoworld Population/players show that there is only 17,000 daily active users ... so do the math it's 1.8705882352941177% of YO population..... So your poll is as "scientific", as any professional poll would be.

Scientific does not mean how many participated, with a scientific poll you can have a small number participate. Scientific is concerned with how you phrase the questions and how you obtain your sample. So no this poll isn't as "scientific" as any professional poll would be.

Meleagris (122131215) wrote:

Karma YED (167876742) wrote:

Veronica (122961678) wrote:
25 + 44 = 69
308 - 69 = 239
Cover the other choices with your fingers do something lol
239 people voted YES or NO = 2 choices
121 YES
118 NO

I don't see what's one sided here. Sorry. What I see some people are just being creative on words & sentences just for the sake of defending their side. Yet this is not a fight. At least, I don't see it that way.

Don't pay attention dear, to anyone saying this poll is not very "scientific" because only so many people participated in it....
US population is over 317.000.000 (million People) and when they publish any "professional" poll they usually only sample/poll about 1500 (hundred) people or 0.00047318611987381704% of the entire population.

So, the latest data on daily yoworld Population/players show that there is only 17,000 daily active users ... so do the math it's 1.8705882352941177% of YO population..... So your poll is as "scientific", as any professional poll would be.

Scientific does not mean how many participated, with a scientific poll you can have a small number participate. Scientific is concerned with how you phrase the questions and how you obtain your sample. So no this poll isn't as "scientific" as any professional poll would be.

LOL....
I am so glad I have decided to see what you had to say, your statements are so entertaining
The questions that require YES or NO answer has absolutely no margin of error, in this instance
Question ---'Would you like the existing "Ghost themes" in store to be unlocked?---
DEFINITELY YES
DEFINITELY NO
This is as SIMPLE & "SCIENTIFIC" as it comes...
The other 2 questions are throwaways

BTW, didn't you say : "There have been about 300 votes and there are at least 9736 people who read this forum and 2948 who have read this thread so I wouldn't say that "many" players have contributed to the poll." They are YOUR WORDS & YOUR NUMBERS viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9120&start=640
So if I take your numbers & calculate the % of how many "players have contributed to the poll"--- this is VERY IMPRESSIVE CONTRIBUTION...
People who read this forum (9736)---3.0813475760065736%
People who read this post (2948)---10.176390773405698%

Point of information to those doing mathematical equations - the number ascribed to the views on this thread does not equate to the number of individuals reading it... every time you click to read this thread it gets a viewed number. So for example if the OP has been back and forth in this thread 100 times that's a 100 views right there.

Karma YED (167876742) wrote:So, the latest data on daily yoworld Population/players show that there is only 17,000 daily active users ...

I don't know where you get 17,000 daily active users appdata.com has yoworld daily active users between 100,000 and 500,000 and much closer to 500,000 than 100,000.

Karma YED (167876742) wrote:LOL....
I am so glad I have decided to see what you had to say, your statements are so entertaining
The questions that require YES or NO answer has absolutely no margin of error, in this instance
Question ---'Would you like the existing "Ghost themes" in store to be unlocked?---
DEFINITELY YES
DEFINITELY NO
This is as SIMPLE & "SCIENTIFIC" as it comes...
The other 2 questions are throwaways

In a scientific poll you can't have 2 answers that are throwaways ...

http://professional.jodyb.net/pollq.pdf

The major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually “volunteer” their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll.

This is clearly an unscientific poll, respondents volunteered their opinions selecting themselves for the poll.